Biden doesn't trust Trump but he supports travel restrictions when advocated by medical experts. Also he trusts vaccines if approved by Food drug administration. As a precaution, he takes every measure to keep Americans safe and defeat the pandemic.
Good points.
Travel restrictions, or even travel bans, don't actually PREVENT a virus from entering the country but they can significantly reduce and slow the spread. It is prudent to take pre-emptive measures (cautiously) when it concerns public safety.
good pt fubah . the best way to beat the virus is now is to immunize through full vaccination plus masking and social distancing . that has always been the case since early 2020 and it still is .
fubah do u think biden is doing enuf ?
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Biden doesn't trust Trump but he supports travel restrictions when advocated by medical experts. Also he trusts vaccines if approved by Food drug administration. As a precaution, he takes every measure to keep Americans safe and defeat the pandemic.
Good points.
Travel restrictions, or even travel bans, don't actually PREVENT a virus from entering the country but they can significantly reduce and slow the spread. It is prudent to take pre-emptive measures (cautiously) when it concerns public safety.
good pt fubah . the best way to beat the virus is now is to immunize through full vaccination plus masking and social distancing . that has always been the case since early 2020 and it still is .
"There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
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cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news "
"There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
I keep saying this but the biggest issue in my opinion isnt those who have not got the vacc, it is those who have and are reckless in how they interact. I see it daily people act as if nothing happened and no care in the world just act like they did before this started. The vacc does not create a shield around you, it is still possible to be infected even if you can fight it better with a vacc (allegedly) you still can be infected and spread it to others. You see in countries with a HIGH vacc rate that they still have issues because the behavior of those who get the vacc make for spreading to others.
And I guess those pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences because nothing happened TODAY from taking it, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials and procedures and that is not how you prove if this vacc has issues and how to handle them. If these vaccs were optional or minimal impact therapies for other problems, say like MS or neuropathy it would span several years time before they were approved and the scrutiny and protocols would be much more severe than how PFE and Moderna got to rush it to the market.
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I keep saying this but the biggest issue in my opinion isnt those who have not got the vacc, it is those who have and are reckless in how they interact. I see it daily people act as if nothing happened and no care in the world just act like they did before this started. The vacc does not create a shield around you, it is still possible to be infected even if you can fight it better with a vacc (allegedly) you still can be infected and spread it to others. You see in countries with a HIGH vacc rate that they still have issues because the behavior of those who get the vacc make for spreading to others.
And I guess those pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences because nothing happened TODAY from taking it, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials and procedures and that is not how you prove if this vacc has issues and how to handle them. If these vaccs were optional or minimal impact therapies for other problems, say like MS or neuropathy it would span several years time before they were approved and the scrutiny and protocols would be much more severe than how PFE and Moderna got to rush it to the market.
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
cut from cnn :: " the most trusted name in news " "There is no world, I think, where [the vaccine effectiveness] is the same level?.?.?. we had with [the] Delta [variant]," Bancel said in an interview with the Financial Times published on Tuesday. "I think it's going to be a material drop. I just don't know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I've talked to?... are like, 'This is not going to be good'."
(CNN)Omicron
What worries scientists is the number of mutations affecting the spike protein. That's because most of the leading vaccines target the spike protein. Vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca and other companies all use just small pieces or genetic sequences of the virus and not whole virus, and all of them use bits of the spike protein to elicit immunity. So a change in the spike protein that made it less recognizable to immune system proteins and cells stimulated by a vaccine would be a problem.
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
Well that's the thing. Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all.
But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity"
We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
Well that's the thing. Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all.
But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity"
We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all. But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity" We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
i read that so far 70 countriess have recently imposed travel restrictions and even a few travel bans
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all. But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity" We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
i read that so far 70 countriess have recently imposed travel restrictions and even a few travel bans
NewScientist, Covid-19 news: Unvaccinated have 14 times greater risk of covid death 23 November 2021 Unvaccinated people in the US are at a 14 times greater risk of dying from covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, Unvaccinated individuals are also almost six times as likely to test positive for the virus. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-unvaccinated-have-14-times-greater-risk-of-covid-death/
So what states list cases and deaths by vaxed and unvaxed daily?
Took a look at Minnesota. They will not tell you the daily vaxed deaths or cases, rather they give you the totals. So this year 4000 have died related to COVID in Minn. Of those 655 were vaxed. Based on the vaccination rate the total days of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is about 40/60. So 1 in 5 deaths have been the vaccinated. The vaccine does help but 14 times better is bullshit. Right now at about 5 times and I am sure growing worse by the day. Gotta get them boosters!!
Another interesting tidbit. Vermont the most vaccinated state. Idaho the worst. Looking at cases from August 1 to Nov 1 and then deaths from Aug 20th thru Nov 20th was expecting to see the death rate much higher in Idaho per confirmed case. Nope, Idaho had a 0.7438% death rate per case and Vermont had a 0.8659% death rate per case.
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NewScientist, Covid-19 news: Unvaccinated have 14 times greater risk of covid death 23 November 2021 Unvaccinated people in the US are at a 14 times greater risk of dying from covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, Unvaccinated individuals are also almost six times as likely to test positive for the virus. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-unvaccinated-have-14-times-greater-risk-of-covid-death/
So what states list cases and deaths by vaxed and unvaxed daily?
Took a look at Minnesota. They will not tell you the daily vaxed deaths or cases, rather they give you the totals. So this year 4000 have died related to COVID in Minn. Of those 655 were vaxed. Based on the vaccination rate the total days of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is about 40/60. So 1 in 5 deaths have been the vaccinated. The vaccine does help but 14 times better is bullshit. Right now at about 5 times and I am sure growing worse by the day. Gotta get them boosters!!
Another interesting tidbit. Vermont the most vaccinated state. Idaho the worst. Looking at cases from August 1 to Nov 1 and then deaths from Aug 20th thru Nov 20th was expecting to see the death rate much higher in Idaho per confirmed case. Nope, Idaho had a 0.7438% death rate per case and Vermont had a 0.8659% death rate per case.
this is holding true for now vaccination is the best defense we have from hospitalizations and deaths other mitigation measures r the best defense from rapid spreading of a given virus
as the efficacy of most vaccines in the world do wane over time we expect boosters to b helpful at least in the short term
but then once any given virus mutates repeatedly bcuz it is allowed to spread by dumbass people then the new mutated version could b immune from the current vaccine and a new vaccine must b engineered
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
NewScientist,
23 November 2021
Unvaccinated people in the US are at a 14 times greater risk of dying from covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated against coronavirus,
Unvaccinated individuals are also almost six times as likely to test positive for the virus.
this is holding true for now vaccination is the best defense we have from hospitalizations and deaths other mitigation measures r the best defense from rapid spreading of a given virus
as the efficacy of most vaccines in the world do wane over time we expect boosters to b helpful at least in the short term
but then once any given virus mutates repeatedly bcuz it is allowed to spread by dumbass people then the new mutated version could b immune from the current vaccine and a new vaccine must b engineered
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: NewScientist, 23 November 2021 Unvaccinated people in the US are at a 14 times greater risk of dying from covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, Unvaccinated individuals are also almost six times as likely to test positive for the virus. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-unvaccinated-have-14-times-greater-risk-of-covid-death/ this is holding true for now vaccination is the best defense we have from hospitalizations and deaths other mitigation measures r the best defense from rapid spreading of a given virus as the efficacy of most vaccines in the world do wane over time we expect boosters to b helpful at least in the short term but then once any given virus mutates repeatedly bcuz it is allowed to spread by dumbass people then the new mutated version could b immune from the current vaccine and a new vaccine must b engineered
Very well said.
(Israeli) Health minister: Early data shows the booster works against Omicron
Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz says that early data shows that those who have three doses of the Pfizer COVID vaccine are well protected against Omicron.
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: NewScientist, 23 November 2021 Unvaccinated people in the US are at a 14 times greater risk of dying from covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, Unvaccinated individuals are also almost six times as likely to test positive for the virus. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-unvaccinated-have-14-times-greater-risk-of-covid-death/ this is holding true for now vaccination is the best defense we have from hospitalizations and deaths other mitigation measures r the best defense from rapid spreading of a given virus as the efficacy of most vaccines in the world do wane over time we expect boosters to b helpful at least in the short term but then once any given virus mutates repeatedly bcuz it is allowed to spread by dumbass people then the new mutated version could b immune from the current vaccine and a new vaccine must b engineered
Very well said.
(Israeli) Health minister: Early data shows the booster works against Omicron
Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz says that early data shows that those who have three doses of the Pfizer COVID vaccine are well protected against Omicron.
Biden has killed more this year than Orange man last year...
Historically, pandemics usually last several years with higher death tolls after introduction stage. 2020 is the beginning while 2021 is the middle. Biden inherited a mess from Trump. Vast majority of covid deaths occur in unvaccinated population. But under Biden, there is strong economic recovery. Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths and far more hospitalizations have been prevented by vaccination and other improvements in pandemic response.
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Biden has killed more this year than Orange man last year...
Historically, pandemics usually last several years with higher death tolls after introduction stage. 2020 is the beginning while 2021 is the middle. Biden inherited a mess from Trump. Vast majority of covid deaths occur in unvaccinated population. But under Biden, there is strong economic recovery. Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths and far more hospitalizations have been prevented by vaccination and other improvements in pandemic response.
The DELTA a whole new strain. First observed in India last December. Identified and followed. Made it's way across Europe. UK reported 40% of hospitalizations were vaccinated.
NOTHING, NOTHING, was done by the Biden Admin. to stop this strain from entering our country. There was complete DENIAL with "get vaccinated, you won't get COVID", "99% are the unvaccinated", southern border as porous as anytime in our history!!
Michigan just had the highest rate of COVID cases since the beginning of the pandemic. The five states leading the fall surge are all BIDEN states.
FOLLOWING YOUR OWN 2020 LOGIC, THESE ARE BIDEN DEATHS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. There never was DELTA with Trump, the vaccine was very powerful with the original virus, NOT ANYMORE.
This virus will continue to mutate and evade vaccines, IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! Vaccinations WILL NOT STOP IT, PERIOD.
Prevent some deaths for those vulnerable, yes, end the spread of the virus, HELL NO. FOOLS GAME.
Develope treatments to treat it, focus on that. They're too big of idiots to see that. As are many here.
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The DELTA a whole new strain. First observed in India last December. Identified and followed. Made it's way across Europe. UK reported 40% of hospitalizations were vaccinated.
NOTHING, NOTHING, was done by the Biden Admin. to stop this strain from entering our country. There was complete DENIAL with "get vaccinated, you won't get COVID", "99% are the unvaccinated", southern border as porous as anytime in our history!!
Michigan just had the highest rate of COVID cases since the beginning of the pandemic. The five states leading the fall surge are all BIDEN states.
FOLLOWING YOUR OWN 2020 LOGIC, THESE ARE BIDEN DEATHS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. There never was DELTA with Trump, the vaccine was very powerful with the original virus, NOT ANYMORE.
This virus will continue to mutate and evade vaccines, IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! Vaccinations WILL NOT STOP IT, PERIOD.
Prevent some deaths for those vulnerable, yes, end the spread of the virus, HELL NO. FOOLS GAME.
Develope treatments to treat it, focus on that. They're too big of idiots to see that. As are many here.
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
Well that's the thing. Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all.
But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity"
We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
The list of countries reporting omicron cases has now risen to 21. In today's world, short of total blockage of all traffic into a country, a contagious virus is going to reach into every country attached to a continent. This is expected. What can be done however is slow the spread and control the spread to keep it at the absolute lowest possible levels within the national community. This depends on the actions of the governments COMBINED WITH the will of the people toward adherence.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
theyve been saying all along since early 2020 that viruses mutate and covid will too there r several mutations of concern out there right now omicron is simply the newest
omicron could ultimately turn out to b no worse than covid-19 but then there r the other mutations they r watching and of course further mutations can be expected which may very well b resistent to all current vaccines or antibody treatments
Well that's the thing. Preparing now for a potnetial problem is the wise thing to do, while at the same time hoping omicron turns out to be a nothing burger. The scientists and health experts are ALL saying that too! As should we all.
But even if it does, as long as the virus persists and is allowed to spread IT WILL MUTATE FURTHER and become more and more resistent to drugs and "natural immunity"
We might expect many more mutated strains in the coming months.
The list of countries reporting omicron cases has now risen to 21. In today's world, short of total blockage of all traffic into a country, a contagious virus is going to reach into every country attached to a continent. This is expected. What can be done however is slow the spread and control the spread to keep it at the absolute lowest possible levels within the national community. This depends on the actions of the governments COMBINED WITH the will of the people toward adherence.
Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do? Is he a scientist who makes vaccs or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country?
Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything. The reason this will keep going in is that people are not diligent in how they live their lives, people want a shot in the arm and then do whatever the crap they want and THAT is the cause not some evil faceless person from south of the border.
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Uniman,
Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do? Is he a scientist who makes vaccs or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country?
Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything. The reason this will keep going in is that people are not diligent in how they live their lives, people want a shot in the arm and then do whatever the crap they want and THAT is the cause not some evil faceless person from south of the border.
The DELTA a whole new strain. First observed in India last December. Identified and followed. Made it's way across Europe. UK reported 40% of hospitalizations were vaccinated. NOTHING, NOTHING, was done by the Biden Admin. to stop this strain from entering our country. There was complete DENIAL with "get vaccinated, you won't get COVID", "99% are the unvaccinated", southern border as porous as anytime in our history!! Michigan just had the highest rate of COVID cases since the beginning of the pandemic. The five states leading the fall surge are all BIDEN states. FOLLOWING YOUR OWN 2020 LOGIC, THESE ARE BIDEN DEATHS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. There never was DELTA with Trump, the vaccine was very powerful with the original virus, NOT ANYMORE. This virus will continue to mutate and evade vaccines, IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! Vaccinations WILL NOT STOP IT, PERIOD. Prevent some deaths for those vulnerable, yes, end the spread of the virus, HELL NO. FOOLS GAME. Develope treatments to treat it, focus on that. They're too big of idiots to see that. As are many here.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Uniman, Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do? Is he a scientist who makes vaccs or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country? Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything. The reason this will keep going in is that people are not diligent in how they live their lives, people want a shot in the arm and then do whatever the crap they want and THAT is the cause not some evil faceless person from south of the border.
I'm assuming, safely, that UM's point is that the dummy heads that just regurgitate the same copy & paste BS OVER & OVER & OVER again give BIDEN all the credit for ANYTHING resembling a positive story but ZERO acknowledgement on all of the SHIT going on around us all. Then do the opposite with Donald.
"The stock market went up today... yay go Joe". "The stock market took a dip today...but it will go back up and then back down....yay go Joe".
"Water is wet, the sky is blue...yay go JOe!"
UM is just giving them back the same BS that that clown show spews on here day in and day out. I may be wrong....but I bet not....
America First
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The DELTA a whole new strain. First observed in India last December. Identified and followed. Made it's way across Europe. UK reported 40% of hospitalizations were vaccinated. NOTHING, NOTHING, was done by the Biden Admin. to stop this strain from entering our country. There was complete DENIAL with "get vaccinated, you won't get COVID", "99% are the unvaccinated", southern border as porous as anytime in our history!! Michigan just had the highest rate of COVID cases since the beginning of the pandemic. The five states leading the fall surge are all BIDEN states. FOLLOWING YOUR OWN 2020 LOGIC, THESE ARE BIDEN DEATHS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. There never was DELTA with Trump, the vaccine was very powerful with the original virus, NOT ANYMORE. This virus will continue to mutate and evade vaccines, IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! Vaccinations WILL NOT STOP IT, PERIOD. Prevent some deaths for those vulnerable, yes, end the spread of the virus, HELL NO. FOOLS GAME. Develope treatments to treat it, focus on that. They're too big of idiots to see that. As are many here.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Uniman, Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do? Is he a scientist who makes vaccs or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country? Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything. The reason this will keep going in is that people are not diligent in how they live their lives, people want a shot in the arm and then do whatever the crap they want and THAT is the cause not some evil faceless person from south of the border.
I'm assuming, safely, that UM's point is that the dummy heads that just regurgitate the same copy & paste BS OVER & OVER & OVER again give BIDEN all the credit for ANYTHING resembling a positive story but ZERO acknowledgement on all of the SHIT going on around us all. Then do the opposite with Donald.
"The stock market went up today... yay go Joe". "The stock market took a dip today...but it will go back up and then back down....yay go Joe".
"Water is wet, the sky is blue...yay go JOe!"
UM is just giving them back the same BS that that clown show spews on here day in and day out. I may be wrong....but I bet not....
I keep saying this but the biggest issue in my opinion isnt those who have not got the vacc, it is those who have and are reckless in how they interact. I see it daily people act as if nothing happened and no care in the world just act like they did before this started. The vacc does not create a shield around you, it is still possible to be infected even if you can fight it better with a vacc (allegedly) you still can be infected and spread it to others. You see in countries with a HIGH vacc rate that they still have issues because the behavior of those who get the vacc make for spreading to others. And I guess those pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences because nothing happened TODAY from taking it, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials and procedures and that is not how you prove if this vacc has issues and how to handle them. If these vaccs were optional or minimal impact therapies for other problems, say like MS or neuropathy it would span several years time before they were approved and the scrutiny and protocols would be much more severe than how PFE and Moderna got to rush it to the market.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
I keep saying this but the biggest issue in my opinion isnt those who have not got the vacc, it is those who have and are reckless in how they interact. I see it daily people act as if nothing happened and no care in the world just act like they did before this started. The vacc does not create a shield around you, it is still possible to be infected even if you can fight it better with a vacc (allegedly) you still can be infected and spread it to others. You see in countries with a HIGH vacc rate that they still have issues because the behavior of those who get the vacc make for spreading to others. And I guess those pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences because nothing happened TODAY from taking it, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials and procedures and that is not how you prove if this vacc has issues and how to handle them. If these vaccs were optional or minimal impact therapies for other problems, say like MS or neuropathy it would span several years time before they were approved and the scrutiny and protocols would be much more severe than how PFE and Moderna got to rush it to the market.
Follow the pattern of posting from that person you will see a trend of blaming and finger pointing instead of approaching the problem from a realistic and scientific perspective.
Maybe he feels better sitting in his house being mad at ethnics and illegals, that his plight in life is determined by people he will never know and never understand. We are all immigrants, we are all mostly wanting the same thing and when we stop blaming others for what is lacking then and only then you can make progress to find answers.
Illegals are no more responsible for Covid than lazy Republicans or lazy Democrats or Russians or Chinese or Indians or any specific narrow demographic. Its sad when people segregate and put blame on others, its the worst part of humanity IMO.
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Follow the pattern of posting from that person you will see a trend of blaming and finger pointing instead of approaching the problem from a realistic and scientific perspective.
Maybe he feels better sitting in his house being mad at ethnics and illegals, that his plight in life is determined by people he will never know and never understand. We are all immigrants, we are all mostly wanting the same thing and when we stop blaming others for what is lacking then and only then you can make progress to find answers.
Illegals are no more responsible for Covid than lazy Republicans or lazy Democrats or Russians or Chinese or Indians or any specific narrow demographic. Its sad when people segregate and put blame on others, its the worst part of humanity IMO.
Follow the pattern of posting from that person you will see a trend of blaming and finger pointing instead of approaching the problem from a realistic and scientific perspective.Maybe he feels better sitting in his house being mad at ethnics and illegals, that his plight in life is determined by people he will never know and never understand. We are all immigrants, we are all mostly wanting the same thing and when we stop blaming others for what is lacking then and only then you can make progress to find answers. Illegals are no more responsible for Covid than lazy Republicans or lazy Democrats or Russians or Chinese or Indians or any specific narrow demographic. Its sad when people segregate and put blame on others, its the worst part of humanity IMO.
You just described 9 out of 10 users in the politics sub forum to the T
Hear you on the rest, the world could be a much better place, that's for sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Follow the pattern of posting from that person you will see a trend of blaming and finger pointing instead of approaching the problem from a realistic and scientific perspective.Maybe he feels better sitting in his house being mad at ethnics and illegals, that his plight in life is determined by people he will never know and never understand. We are all immigrants, we are all mostly wanting the same thing and when we stop blaming others for what is lacking then and only then you can make progress to find answers. Illegals are no more responsible for Covid than lazy Republicans or lazy Democrats or Russians or Chinese or Indians or any specific narrow demographic. Its sad when people segregate and put blame on others, its the worst part of humanity IMO.
You just described 9 out of 10 users in the politics sub forum to the T
Hear you on the rest, the world could be a much better place, that's for sure.
Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do?
Is he a scientist who makes vaccs
or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country?
Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything.
Every day, more foreigners fly into the US from all around the world and cross the border from Canada, than all the illegals who cross the southern border over a full year.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Uniman,
Outside of right wing wacko excessive make believe decisions what can Biden do?
Is he a scientist who makes vaccs
or is your only solution is to stop those terrible Latin American people from destroying this country?
Gotta step away from the hate and blame that you seem to roll around in and quit making other people the cause for all the ills in your life. Its impossible to seal off the border and it would not change much of anything.
Every day, more foreigners fly into the US from all around the world and cross the border from Canada, than all the illegals who cross the southern border over a full year.
pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials.
The conspiracy theory that covid vaccine side effects show up years later is impossible according to immunologists. Regulators in many countries only need 2-3 months of clinical testing data to evaluate vaccines. Unlike drugs that build up in human body. 6 weeks is the longest time for side effects to appear for any vaccine in medical history. Doctors and scientists are confident in the safety of vaccines for several reasons.
First, most people experience minor side effects within days. Severe side effects are very rare such as one in a million doses administered. Secondly, mRNA vaccines rapidly break down completely in a short time and cannot trigger any lasting reaction. Third, decades of studying mRNA vaccine technology show no long term side effects. fourth, even extremely rare side effects are revealed when over 7 billion doses are administered worldwide over many months. Fifth, no shortcuts taken in research, development and testing of covid vaccines made possible by biggest investment and international effort in vaccine history. Sixth, standard practice of constant monitoring after vaccine approval ensures public safety in many countries.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
pro-vacc people are not considering long term consequences, even though people have died and there are many issues..it does not mean that long term there will not be side effects and harm. These "cures" were rushed to the market way too fast without proper trials.
The conspiracy theory that covid vaccine side effects show up years later is impossible according to immunologists. Regulators in many countries only need 2-3 months of clinical testing data to evaluate vaccines. Unlike drugs that build up in human body. 6 weeks is the longest time for side effects to appear for any vaccine in medical history. Doctors and scientists are confident in the safety of vaccines for several reasons.
First, most people experience minor side effects within days. Severe side effects are very rare such as one in a million doses administered. Secondly, mRNA vaccines rapidly break down completely in a short time and cannot trigger any lasting reaction. Third, decades of studying mRNA vaccine technology show no long term side effects. fourth, even extremely rare side effects are revealed when over 7 billion doses are administered worldwide over many months. Fifth, no shortcuts taken in research, development and testing of covid vaccines made possible by biggest investment and international effort in vaccine history. Sixth, standard practice of constant monitoring after vaccine approval ensures public safety in many countries.
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