A use of force trainer for the Minneapolis Police Department testified in the Derek Chauvin trial Tuesday that officers should use the least amount of force necessary to restrain a suspect and avoid placing pressure on their neck. Lt. Johnny Mercil added that an officer should stop kneeling on a suspect once they are handcuffed and no longer resisting. Several other members of the department have testified so far, including Chief Medaria Arradondo, who said Monday that Chauvin violated police policy, training and ethics when he knelt on George Floyd’s neck. Other Minneapolis police trainers as well as a use of force expert from the Los Angeles Police Department also testified Tuesday. When shown a photo of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck, Mercil said that is not a Minneapolis police trained neck restraint. When asked by prosecutors if the force would be authorized if the subject was under control and handcuffed, Mercil said, “I would say no.” Mercil, who trains Minneapolis police on use of force, said officers should use the least amount of force necessary to control someone, and once they get control, they should de-escalate their restraint. Mercil said neck restraints can only be used if an individual is actively resisting or actively aggressive, depending on the type of restraint used. They cannot be used if they are passively resisting. The sanctity of life is important in regards to use of force, Mercil said, and the force used should be reasonable. Mercil added that the head and neck are areas of the body more prone to injury, and that officers are trained to use caution when applying force there.
Have you watch video of him trying to be detained originally?
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
A use of force trainer for the Minneapolis Police Department testified in the Derek Chauvin trial Tuesday that officers should use the least amount of force necessary to restrain a suspect and avoid placing pressure on their neck. Lt. Johnny Mercil added that an officer should stop kneeling on a suspect once they are handcuffed and no longer resisting. Several other members of the department have testified so far, including Chief Medaria Arradondo, who said Monday that Chauvin violated police policy, training and ethics when he knelt on George Floyd’s neck. Other Minneapolis police trainers as well as a use of force expert from the Los Angeles Police Department also testified Tuesday. When shown a photo of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck, Mercil said that is not a Minneapolis police trained neck restraint. When asked by prosecutors if the force would be authorized if the subject was under control and handcuffed, Mercil said, “I would say no.” Mercil, who trains Minneapolis police on use of force, said officers should use the least amount of force necessary to control someone, and once they get control, they should de-escalate their restraint. Mercil said neck restraints can only be used if an individual is actively resisting or actively aggressive, depending on the type of restraint used. They cannot be used if they are passively resisting. The sanctity of life is important in regards to use of force, Mercil said, and the force used should be reasonable. Mercil added that the head and neck are areas of the body more prone to injury, and that officers are trained to use caution when applying force there.
Have you watch video of him trying to be detained originally?
Yes I have. And it's got NOTHING to do with Chauvin continuing to knee on Floyd's neck another four minutes after Floyd's body went COMPLETELY LIMP while HANDCUFFED. WTF bro? He's going down and so are the other three tyrant cops that stood and watched. That's murder 2 and aiding & abetting murder 2.
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Yes I have. And it's got NOTHING to do with Chauvin continuing to knee on Floyd's neck another four minutes after Floyd's body went COMPLETELY LIMP while HANDCUFFED. WTF bro? He's going down and so are the other three tyrant cops that stood and watched. That's murder 2 and aiding & abetting murder 2.
There will be no more burning or looting because that POS SOB Chauvin is going to be convicted on all counts. At least 25 years and will serve 15 - 20.
No GP for him. He’ll be in PC. On suicide watch. A miserable existence for certain. His only chance is to skip out on his $1m bail. GL with that.
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There will be no more burning or looting because that POS SOB Chauvin is going to be convicted on all counts. At least 25 years and will serve 15 - 20.
No GP for him. He’ll be in PC. On suicide watch. A miserable existence for certain. His only chance is to skip out on his $1m bail. GL with that.
Blown away by those who feel Chauvin had nothing to do with his death. I say again if they simply arrest him, he would still be aIive. I get he was a bit of an irritant but would he still be alive if Chauvin doesn't place his knee upon Floyd's neck for nearly 9 minutes? I think we all know the answer to that. I don't think Chauvin meant to kill him, but he did and it's clearly some level of murder/manslaughter in the state of Minnesota, whatever the penalty dictates, so be it.
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Blown away by those who feel Chauvin had nothing to do with his death. I say again if they simply arrest him, he would still be aIive. I get he was a bit of an irritant but would he still be alive if Chauvin doesn't place his knee upon Floyd's neck for nearly 9 minutes? I think we all know the answer to that. I don't think Chauvin meant to kill him, but he did and it's clearly some level of murder/manslaughter in the state of Minnesota, whatever the penalty dictates, so be it.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose]S T O P You don't get to run off 10 posts of complete BS without somebody (in this case ME) being able to respond. That is not a conversation. That is an irresponsible takeover of the Thread. Do it again and you'll be in the Penalty Box looking out. I am in the process of refuting your erroneous claims and will respond in about 15 minutes if not distracted by other business. So just keep your panties from getting twisted up, and STAND BY.
I think your encounters with police leads to bias.
Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have.
Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy?
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@TheGoldenGoose
I think your encounters with police leads to bias.
Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have.
Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy?
@TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy?
I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up.
i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it
If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
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Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:
@TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy?
I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up.
i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it
If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
I think I read that he said he couldn’t breathe and was writhing/struggling and so they took him out of the car to lay him down. Because they had already called the medics.
Not sure if they knew he was jacked up at that time or that he had overdosed some time back. But I imagine they knew something was wrong with him. They said they were told to restrain him until medics got there.
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I think I read that he said he couldn’t breathe and was writhing/struggling and so they took him out of the car to lay him down. Because they had already called the medics.
Not sure if they knew he was jacked up at that time or that he had overdosed some time back. But I imagine they knew something was wrong with him. They said they were told to restrain him until medics got there.
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: @TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy? I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up. i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
I am not saying what you went through isn’t real or maybe what he was feeling wasn’t related to incredible amount of drugs in the system. But we’re you twisted up on fentanyl?
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Quote Originally Posted by lennon65:
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: @TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy? I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up. i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
I am not saying what you went through isn’t real or maybe what he was feeling wasn’t related to incredible amount of drugs in the system. But we’re you twisted up on fentanyl?
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety.
Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
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cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety.
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
I can see both sides of this case. Not that I think that Cop shouldn’t be shot and pissed on but also there was a chance this didn’t go sideways, if Floyd complied. More so he isn’t a martyr, dirtbags like Sharpton making this something to champion is disgusting. He is as big a problem African American community has.
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Quote Originally Posted by lennon65:
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
I can see both sides of this case. Not that I think that Cop shouldn’t be shot and pissed on but also there was a chance this didn’t go sideways, if Floyd complied. More so he isn’t a martyr, dirtbags like Sharpton making this something to champion is disgusting. He is as big a problem African American community has.
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying.
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Quote Originally Posted by lennon65:
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying.
"I think your encounters with police leads to bias"
Well, geeeeez, Captain Obvious. YaThink???
Let's see YOU have a tyrant cop grab you by the balls while handcuffed. That MFer. That's a sexual assault and I regret not pushing this all the way because I COULD and SHOULD be at least $1m richer.
Not making Floyd into a martyr but what's right is right.
Agree with lennon 100% because I know many people who have anxiety attacks and it's no joke.
C'MON BRO... To kneel on his neck a full four minutes after his body goes limp???
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"I think your encounters with police leads to bias"
Well, geeeeez, Captain Obvious. YaThink???
Let's see YOU have a tyrant cop grab you by the balls while handcuffed. That MFer. That's a sexual assault and I regret not pushing this all the way because I COULD and SHOULD be at least $1m richer.
Not making Floyd into a martyr but what's right is right.
Agree with lennon 100% because I know many people who have anxiety attacks and it's no joke.
C'MON BRO... To kneel on his neck a full four minutes after his body goes limp???
It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying.
Objection OVERRULED. You cannot prove Floyd was overdosing. You cannot prove he was dying. What CAN be proved is that Chauvin kept kneeling on Floyd's neck after his body went limp.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying.
Objection OVERRULED. You cannot prove Floyd was overdosing. You cannot prove he was dying. What CAN be proved is that Chauvin kept kneeling on Floyd's neck after his body went limp.
that cop was probably shot at and pissed on for the last ten years
Again, some people are just not cut out for the job of being a cop. Chauvin is clearly one of those people who never should have been in the profession of law enforcement.
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Quote Originally Posted by vinnievibes:
that cop was probably shot at and pissed on for the last ten years
Again, some people are just not cut out for the job of being a cop. Chauvin is clearly one of those people who never should have been in the profession of law enforcement.
"When Policemen break the law then there is no more law. Just a fight for survival"
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: @TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy? I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up. i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
I agree I have the same thing... but stay clear of the laws path and this doesn’t happen. He should have thought of that when they were beating the pregnant woman.
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Quote Originally Posted by lennon65:
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: @TheGoldenGoose I think your encounters with police leads to bias. Cop seems like psycho but to make Floyd a martyr is embarrassing and part of problem in moving issue forward. If he stayed in cop car this doesn’t happen. Possibly if he wasn’t fukked out of his mind he would have. Interesting you are Championing Chief here, how many complaints against this officer was there? Wait till he allegedly kills a guy? I'm Claustrophobic and have High Anxiety due to many years of drinking and drug abuse. it sucks. don't go in elevators anymore even if it's 1 floor up. i was arrested a cpl years ago and when they put the cuffs on me i freaked. then they put me in that small suv. i pleaded with metro to please take cuffs off and they did'nt. sat in that damn suv for 45 min to the jail. It was Terifying. Then i satcuffed to a metal bench for 12 hrs bc i refused to go in a holding cell with 10 other criminals. That was bc of my disorder. also skipped out on 3 MRIS' bc of it If you watch the Floyd video from the beginning he was screaming that he was Claustrophobic. i feel for the man. paranoia,anxiety and a feeling of not being able to move under your control is a real disorder.
I agree I have the same thing... but stay clear of the laws path and this doesn’t happen. He should have thought of that when they were beating the pregnant woman.
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
Doesn’t help me either. I had anxiety and panic attacks daily prior to using pain killers. After two years of using I almost died from OD, stopped and now since 2019 anxiety has been bizarre. Derealization depersonalization strange strange symptoms. I take kratom daily and coming off Cymbalta. 2 mg Klonopin won’t do anything....
“It’s not a lie, if you believe it”
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Quote Originally Posted by lennon65:
cocaine and weed were my drug of choice. now alcohol. you would figure if you're on heroin or fentanol that you would be mellow enough to handle anxiety. Xanex does'nt even help me for mris'.
Doesn’t help me either. I had anxiety and panic attacks daily prior to using pain killers. After two years of using I almost died from OD, stopped and now since 2019 anxiety has been bizarre. Derealization depersonalization strange strange symptoms. I take kratom daily and coming off Cymbalta. 2 mg Klonopin won’t do anything....
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying. Objection OVERRULED. You cannot prove Floyd was overdosing. You cannot prove he was dying. What CAN be proved is that Chauvin kept kneeling on Floyd's neck after his body went limp.
they are saying it was his shoulder blades and you need pressure from both sides of neck to render consciousness
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: It wasn’t simply anxiety. The man was overdosing and in the throes of dying. Objection OVERRULED. You cannot prove Floyd was overdosing. You cannot prove he was dying. What CAN be proved is that Chauvin kept kneeling on Floyd's neck after his body went limp.
they are saying it was his shoulder blades and you need pressure from both sides of neck to render consciousness
There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment.
Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone."
So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder,
There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder.
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There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment.
Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone."
So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder,
There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder.
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