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Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

But that's the point I think Rostos is trying to make even though I don't think he understands what your saying.

If everyone believed what you believe than society would be fucked.  Religion was invented to stop people from murdering, raping, stealing etc because there was no legal system or cops. 

Simple question Kitty. 

If everyone thought life is meaningless would society benefit?  Would the human race advance?  Would the world be a better place? 

 

But if religion was invented to control the masses,why are they trying to get rid of it?

 
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And you still haven't learned a thing...  APPEAL TO MOTIVE

So are morals relative or absolute ?

Just answer yes or no?

 
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"But saying the solider is stupid does not mean he is stupid in general. He is stupid for a specific reason. That reason is that he is giving up his own life for others. I personally do not believe in this type of conduct. I would not value someone else's life over mine. So I am not focusing on the selfless act that he performed regarding the compassion he showed for others. I am referring to his decision to give up his own life".
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I think I'm a reasonably intelligent college educated man. This statement here does show contradiction. How is giving up your life for others a stupid decision?  Our  great young American men and women in the service give up their lives everyday for us. How is that stupid?  The great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said that "if a man can't find something worth dying for then his life isn't fit to live."  It's never stupid to give up your life for others. Like I have eluded to earlier there are things that I have done and risked my life for people I would never know. I don't consider myself stupid. I have been involved in numerous operations where I have been shot at more times than I care to remember. I have actually been shot twice while performing these operations. I can't get into specifics but believe me when I tell you I didn't consider myself stupid and my team didn't consider me stupid. On the contrary I have been seen as a hero. But I don't consider myself a hero at all. I'm just a man doing what he feels is right.  I would die for my country, my family, my friends  and strangers I don't know. You guys consider it stupid because for you life ends here. But for the real scientists who know that energy can't be destroyed they know that life doesn't end here. So while you see it all as stupid and meaningless. I see meaningful, and productive life on this planet. 
When you are the under the power of the ego and all it's lies this is just another manifestation of the lies the ego has built for you.  You're trapped in a world of your own making. You seem to be reasonably intelligent but you have lost your soul in the process and have become hostage to your own intellect. You have allowed atheism to steal everything from you and now you feel hopeless and meaningless. It's like being in love with a beautiful woman but you're still lonely. Atheism gives you exactly what you say it does...Nothing absolutely nothing and it's all meaningless. I choose to lead a meaningful life and if I should die tonight so be it. I move on to the next episode confident that my spirit the real me is prepared for the next world.  




That is the point.  Without an afterlife, it is stupid.  That is it...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So are morals relative or absolute ?

Just answer yes or no?



Relative.

Is there no situation where it is okay to kill?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



That is the point.  Without an afterlife, it is stupid.  That is it...

Without an afterlife, meaning there is no accountability, then if i can get away with it here on earth, there is no reason for me to murder to you if it is something that i enjoy.......After all, you did say to enjoy your life.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



Relative.

Is there no situation where it is okay to kill?

Ok, if they are relative, then if i say i enjoy raping, pissing on, shitting on, cutting off nipples then murdering little girls , then you cant say to me that i am right OR wrong to do that........

 

 
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if i say i enjoy putting up posters saying calling gays all sorts of names, then you cant say that i am right or wrong to do that....
 
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Posted: #4283
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Ok, if they are relative, then if i say i enjoy raping, pissing on, shitting on, cutting off nipples then murdering little girls , then you cant say to me that i am right OR wrong to do that........

 



Now you're just being a dick on purpose.  I refuse to discuss anything further with you until you want to have an intelligent conversation, but I doubt it's possible with you.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



Now you're just being a dick on purpose.  I refuse to discuss anything further with you until you want to have an intelligent conversation, but I doubt it's possible with you.

AHA, now you are starting to see the implications of moral relativism......

Are you saying that i am wrong if i enjoy bashing homosexuals?

 

 
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Without an afterlife, there is no accountability beyond this life. Correct. There is no accountability beyond this life. Some people get away with shit. Some don't. That's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that concept. Even if you don't agree with it, it is simple to grasp.

And smoothd - what you said is opinion. I don't think anything is worth dying for yet. And if I find something worth dying for then whatever. I don't think I will. At this point, I don't see the point in giving your life for anything because think about it: what good is my sacrifice if I am dead? It's useless. It doesn't help me at all. So for you to say it is contradictory is flat out false because of the definition of what a contradiction is. It MUST be the case that the two statements cannot be true at the same time as in there can be no instance where the two can coexist as true.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

AHA, now you are starting to see the implications of moral relativism......

Are you saying that i am wrong if i enjoy bashing homosexuals?

 


You want to play this game?  Fine, I can be a dick too.  If morals are absolute, then killing is never ok.  Correct?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


You want to play this game?  Fine, I can be a dick too.  If morals are absolute, then killing is never ok.  Correct?

If morals are ABSOLUTE , then morlals come from the moral law giver - God.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

If morals are ABSOLUTE , then morlals come from the moral law giver - God.

 


Way to answer the question...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Without an afterlife, there is no accountability beyond this life. Correct. There is no accountability beyond this life. Some people get away with shit. Some don't. That's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that concept. Even if you don't agree with it, it is simple to grasp.

 
And smoothd - what you said is opinion. I don't think anything is worth dying for yet. And if I find something worth dying for then whatever. I don't think I will. At this point, I don't see the point in giving your life for anything because think about it: what good is my sacrifice if I am dead? It's useless. It doesn't help me at all. So for you to say it is contradictory is flat out false because of the definition of what a contradiction is. It MUST be the case that the two statements cannot be true at the same time as in there can be no instance where the two can coexist as true.

I agree with you, if i can steal your wallet, if i can bash a gay and get away with it, if i rape a little girl and get away with it, if i can rip off a pensioner and get away with it, then if i enjoy it and want to do it, then there is no reason for me not to do it, i can get away with it here, no afterlife accountability and furthermore , no one can say what i do is absolutely right or wrong.

The atheist world view.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I agree with you, if i can steal your wallet, if i can bash a gay and get away with it, if i rape a little girl and get away with it, if i can rip off a pensioner and get away with it, then if i enjoy it and want to do it, then there is no reason for me not to do it, i can get away with it here, no afterlife accountability and furthermore , no one can say what i do is absolutely right or wrong.

The atheist world view.


You can get away with it. Here is why you shouldn't do it: BECAUSE IT IS WRONG. Who says it's wrong? SOCIETY. Is it absolutely wrong? No because nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right. But I say it is wrong and you shouldn't do it because in our society, it is wrong.

Once again, you put words in my mouth. STOP IT IT'S GETTING FUCKING ANNOYING.

Please adhere to the rules.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I agree with you, if i can steal your wallet, if i can bash a gay and get away with it, if i rape a little girl and get away with it, if i can rip off a pensioner and get away with it, then if i enjoy it and want to do it, then there is no reason for me not to do it, i can get away with it here, no afterlife accountability and furthermore , no one can say what i do is absolutely right or wrong.

The atheist world view.


THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS LIFE!!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


You can get away with it. Here is why you shouldn't do it: BECAUSE IT IS WRONG. Who says it's wrong? SOCIETY. Is it absolutely wrong? No because nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right. But I say it is wrong and you shouldn't do it because in our society, it is wrong.

Once again, you put words in my mouth. STOP IT IT'S GETTING FUCKING ANNOYING.

Please adhere to the rules.

So if we are going to go by laws of society, then when people publicly stone gay men in Iraq, there is nothing wrong with that because there law says so.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So if we are going to go by laws of society, then when people publicly stone gay men in Iraq, there is nothing wrong with that because there law says so.


It is wrong relative to humanity. It is right relative to Iraqi laws. I personally think it is wrong.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


It is wrong relative to humanity. It is right relative to Iraqi laws. I personally think it is wrong.

That is just your opinion, you are neither right or wrong.

No different to me saying D Howard is a better baller than Bynum.

What about laws that arent covered by society, having sex behind your wifes back........if you can get away with it, why not......?

 
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I am still waiting for the atheists to give me ONE reason why if i CAN get away with it, why i shouldnt rob a bank?

If life is utterly meaningless and i can get away with it, why i shouldnt do it.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

That is just your opinion, you are neither right or wrong.

No different to me saying D Howard is a better baller than Bynum.

What about laws that arent covered by society, having sex behind your wifes back........if you can get away with it, why not......?


It's up to you. If you think it is wrong, don't do it. If you don't care, then I can't stop you. I can frown upon your conduct and say I think it is wrong, but that's about it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

I am still waiting for the atheists to give me ONE reason why if i CAN get away with it, why i shouldnt rob a bank?

If life is utterly meaningless and i can get away with it, why i shouldnt do it.


You want ONE reason, ok.

You shouldn't rob a bank even if you could get away with it because it is bad for society if people robbed from each other, including banks (since technically you're stealing other people's money.) But stealing in general is wrong relative to society.
 
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I believe life has no ultimate meaning. I believe there is no god. I would not rob a bank, rape anyone, or murder anyone. While this is no proof that I am right, it is proof that I could be right; proof that you cannot rule out people being moral without god.
 
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Still waiting on this one, Rostos:  If morals are absolute, then killing is never okay.  Correct?
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

Still waiting on this one, Rostos:  If morals are absolute, then killing is never okay.  Correct?


He knows where I'm going with this, so it is getting ignored.  Understandable.
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