Well said Crash and I agree. Nobody will change their minds and we have had a great discussion and exchange of ideas. Peace out!
I disagree, some atheists will eventually change their minds after contemplating all the compelling evidence we have presented here on this thread. Guys like kk, mik, system, sugarbear, jager, and others will become Christians eventually. It is just a matter of time when they finally come to their senses.
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Well said Crash and I agree. Nobody will change their minds and we have had a great discussion and exchange of ideas. Peace out!
I disagree, some atheists will eventually change their minds after contemplating all the compelling evidence we have presented here on this thread. Guys like kk, mik, system, sugarbear, jager, and others will become Christians eventually. It is just a matter of time when they finally come to their senses.
I disagree, some atheists will eventually change their minds after contemplating all the compelling evidence we have presented here on this thread. Guys like kk, mik, system, sugarbear, jager, and others will become Christians eventually. It is just a matter of time when they finally come to their senses.
1) None of us will ever become christians...
2) Some christians will also become atheists...
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
I disagree, some atheists will eventually change their minds after contemplating all the compelling evidence we have presented here on this thread. Guys like kk, mik, system, sugarbear, jager, and others will become Christians eventually. It is just a matter of time when they finally come to their senses.
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Please feel free to message me sometime if you have a question or confused about something within this topic.
Thanks everybody for being a part of this thread and shedding light on the issues that have been a part of this world for a lonnnnng time... Rostos, SJD, smoothd, matt4000, and others you have shown me that there are still Christians out there that are not afraid to show their beliefs and never back down in the light of ridicule. God bless.
Mikniks, SYSTEM, KittyKatz286, and everybody else that I have talked to in here, I, in no way, shape, or form dislike you guys or disrespect you. I wish and hope that you change your minds, but when it boils down to it, we are all human beings on this earth, and I never wanted to put me on a pedestal when I commented; so hopefully you didn't see it as me putting myself above you or anybody else. Thank you for your time, and I wish you all the best of luck in the future
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
Friends-
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Please feel free to message me sometime if you have a question or confused about something within this topic.
Thanks everybody for being a part of this thread and shedding light on the issues that have been a part of this world for a lonnnnng time... Rostos, SJD, smoothd, matt4000, and others you have shown me that there are still Christians out there that are not afraid to show their beliefs and never back down in the light of ridicule. God bless.
Mikniks, SYSTEM, KittyKatz286, and everybody else that I have talked to in here, I, in no way, shape, or form dislike you guys or disrespect you. I wish and hope that you change your minds, but when it boils down to it, we are all human beings on this earth, and I never wanted to put me on a pedestal when I commented; so hopefully you didn't see it as me putting myself above you or anybody else. Thank you for your time, and I wish you all the best of luck in the future
Please feel free to message me sometime if you have a question or confused about something within this topic.
Thanks everybody for being a part of this thread and shedding light on the issues that have been a part of this world for a lonnnnng time... Rostos, SJD, smoothd, matt4000, and others you have shown me that there are still Christians out there that are not afraid to show their beliefs and never back down in the light of ridicule. God bless.
Mikniks, SYSTEM, KittyKatz286, and everybody else that I have talked to in here, I, in no way, shape, or form dislike you guys or disrespect you. I wish and hope that you change your minds, but when it boils down to it, we are all human beings on this earth, and I never wanted to put me on a pedestal when I commented; so hopefully you didn't see it as me putting myself above you or anybody else. Thank you for your time, and I wish you all the best of luck in the future
Maybe I can come play a round at your course. Do I get a discount?
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Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:
Please feel free to message me sometime if you have a question or confused about something within this topic.
Thanks everybody for being a part of this thread and shedding light on the issues that have been a part of this world for a lonnnnng time... Rostos, SJD, smoothd, matt4000, and others you have shown me that there are still Christians out there that are not afraid to show their beliefs and never back down in the light of ridicule. God bless.
Mikniks, SYSTEM, KittyKatz286, and everybody else that I have talked to in here, I, in no way, shape, or form dislike you guys or disrespect you. I wish and hope that you change your minds, but when it boils down to it, we are all human beings on this earth, and I never wanted to put me on a pedestal when I commented; so hopefully you didn't see it as me putting myself above you or anybody else. Thank you for your time, and I wish you all the best of luck in the future
Maybe I can come play a round at your course. Do I get a discount?
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First statement is not valid, second statement has some validity. There are always people converting over on both sides.
You were already a Christian and someday could possibly return to being a Christian once again.
You are only 20 years old and let's just say you live for another 50 years, well in those 50 years it is possible you might return again. But as everyone knows, tomorrow is not promised to anyone.
Remember I already exposed how confused you are with your contradictions and so when you really begin to analyze yourself you might see the flaws and have them corrected.
Right now you are just a stubborn, confused young man, so given some time you will eventually become a Christian again.
And never say never and besides you can't speak for someone else, you can only speak for yourself.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
1) None of us will ever become christians...
2) Some christians will also become atheists...
First statement is not valid, second statement has some validity. There are always people converting over on both sides.
You were already a Christian and someday could possibly return to being a Christian once again.
You are only 20 years old and let's just say you live for another 50 years, well in those 50 years it is possible you might return again. But as everyone knows, tomorrow is not promised to anyone.
Remember I already exposed how confused you are with your contradictions and so when you really begin to analyze yourself you might see the flaws and have them corrected.
Right now you are just a stubborn, confused young man, so given some time you will eventually become a Christian again.
And never say never and besides you can't speak for someone else, you can only speak for yourself.
Maybe I can come play a round at your course. Do I get a discount?
Bro, I'll do you one better than that... come to the golf course any Tuesday that you want, and I can get you on for free... golf cart, etc. included... the name of my course is The Old North State Club... so if you type that into Google, itll pull up the website... you should check it out sometime. Also, the guy that owns my course owns 6 other courses (One of those courses being Sedgefield, which is where I went to go work the Wyndham Championship PGA Tournament this past August), and I am able to play for free on all of those courses... so you just let me know, and I will hook you up
P.S. I might be biased, but my course is better than all of those other courses haha
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:
Maybe I can come play a round at your course. Do I get a discount?
Bro, I'll do you one better than that... come to the golf course any Tuesday that you want, and I can get you on for free... golf cart, etc. included... the name of my course is The Old North State Club... so if you type that into Google, itll pull up the website... you should check it out sometime. Also, the guy that owns my course owns 6 other courses (One of those courses being Sedgefield, which is where I went to go work the Wyndham Championship PGA Tournament this past August), and I am able to play for free on all of those courses... so you just let me know, and I will hook you up
P.S. I might be biased, but my course is better than all of those other courses haha
First statement is not valid, second statement has some validity. There are always people converting over on both sides.
You were already a Christian and someday could possibly return to being a Christian once again.
You are only 20 years old and let's just say you live for another 50 years, well in those 50 years it is possible you might return again. But as everyone knows, tomorrow is not promised to anyone.
Remember I already exposed how confused you are with your contradictions and so when you really begin to analyze yourself you might see the flaws and have them corrected.
Right now you are just a stubborn, confused young man, so given some time you will eventually become a Christian again.
And never say never and besides you can't speak for someone else, you can only speak for yourself.
I can't speak for the other guys, but I won't be going back. I was christian because that's how I was brought up.
And for the last time there is no contradiction. I give my life meaning, but there is no greater purpose. That is what I'm trying to say. It's two separate things. My life has relative meaning, but no greater purpose. It can't be a contradiction if both can be true. I think you just don't know what I'm trying to say. Just let the thread die please.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
First statement is not valid, second statement has some validity. There are always people converting over on both sides.
You were already a Christian and someday could possibly return to being a Christian once again.
You are only 20 years old and let's just say you live for another 50 years, well in those 50 years it is possible you might return again. But as everyone knows, tomorrow is not promised to anyone.
Remember I already exposed how confused you are with your contradictions and so when you really begin to analyze yourself you might see the flaws and have them corrected.
Right now you are just a stubborn, confused young man, so given some time you will eventually become a Christian again.
And never say never and besides you can't speak for someone else, you can only speak for yourself.
I can't speak for the other guys, but I won't be going back. I was christian because that's how I was brought up.
And for the last time there is no contradiction. I give my life meaning, but there is no greater purpose. That is what I'm trying to say. It's two separate things. My life has relative meaning, but no greater purpose. It can't be a contradiction if both can be true. I think you just don't know what I'm trying to say. Just let the thread die please.
Bro, I'll do you one better than that... come to the golf course any Tuesday that you want, and I can get you on for free... golf cart, etc. included... the name of my course is The Old North State Club... so if you type that into Google, itll pull up the website... you should check it out sometime. Also, the guy that owns my course owns 6 other courses (One of those courses being Sedgefield, which is where I went to go work the Wyndham Championship PGA Tournament this past August), and I am able to play for free on all of those courses... so you just let me know, and I will hook you up
P.S. I might be biased, but my course is better than all of those other courses haha
Wow, that sounds awesome. My old man was talking about taking a trip down the NC to play some golf in the summer. I might have to take you up on that.
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Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:
Bro, I'll do you one better than that... come to the golf course any Tuesday that you want, and I can get you on for free... golf cart, etc. included... the name of my course is The Old North State Club... so if you type that into Google, itll pull up the website... you should check it out sometime. Also, the guy that owns my course owns 6 other courses (One of those courses being Sedgefield, which is where I went to go work the Wyndham Championship PGA Tournament this past August), and I am able to play for free on all of those courses... so you just let me know, and I will hook you up
P.S. I might be biased, but my course is better than all of those other courses haha
Wow, that sounds awesome. My old man was talking about taking a trip down the NC to play some golf in the summer. I might have to take you up on that.
Yes, i agree i feel i have done my best and fulfilled what needed to be done.
Again,i want to re-iterate that i have nothing against anyone here, nothing at all. I am neither better nor worse than anyone here. I have always said there is one judge and one judge only.
I will leave this thread with one last thought, again, i am not here to argue this point or even discuss it, just a leaving point.
My faith tells me that everyone is "without excuse". This tells me that everyone deep down knows there is a God, doesnt matter who you are, where you are, what race, tall, short rich, poor you are, everyone knows God exists.
The atheists here can say what they want, mock ridicule, whatever they want, but my scripture tells me deep down they know he exists and have supressed the truth for a multitude of reasons as we have seen.
The arguments i have seen here are more as smoothd said, "are anti God" rather than true atheists. Alot of the arguments are emotional more than anything.
This whole thread has proved that quote for me to be true so there i have also learnt something here.
I am not going to elaborate or argue this point as this is my last post here.
Good luck and God bless.
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Yes, i agree i feel i have done my best and fulfilled what needed to be done.
Again,i want to re-iterate that i have nothing against anyone here, nothing at all. I am neither better nor worse than anyone here. I have always said there is one judge and one judge only.
I will leave this thread with one last thought, again, i am not here to argue this point or even discuss it, just a leaving point.
My faith tells me that everyone is "without excuse". This tells me that everyone deep down knows there is a God, doesnt matter who you are, where you are, what race, tall, short rich, poor you are, everyone knows God exists.
The atheists here can say what they want, mock ridicule, whatever they want, but my scripture tells me deep down they know he exists and have supressed the truth for a multitude of reasons as we have seen.
The arguments i have seen here are more as smoothd said, "are anti God" rather than true atheists. Alot of the arguments are emotional more than anything.
This whole thread has proved that quote for me to be true so there i have also learnt something here.
I am not going to elaborate or argue this point as this is my last post here.
I can't believe two things that this thread went on for as long as it did, and that it has finally signed off. I spent an almost entire MLB off season away from covers, and checking back in for preseason research here I find that thread still going, almost. If anyone is still reading this, God bless you. For anyone with any doubts about the fact that there is an afterlife, check this out, these stories are simply amazing, and they are real. https://www.biography.com/tv/i-survived-beyond-and-back
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I can't believe two things that this thread went on for as long as it did, and that it has finally signed off. I spent an almost entire MLB off season away from covers, and checking back in for preseason research here I find that thread still going, almost. If anyone is still reading this, God bless you. For anyone with any doubts about the fact that there is an afterlife, check this out, these stories are simply amazing, and they are real. https://www.biography.com/tv/i-survived-beyond-and-back
I can't believe two things that this thread went on for as long as it did, and that it has finally signed off. I spent an almost entire MLB off season away from covers, and checking back in for preseason research here I find that thread still going, almost. If anyone is still reading this, God bless you. For anyone with any doubts about the fact that there is an afterlife, check this out, these stories are simply amazing, and they are real. https://www.biography.com/tv/i-survived-beyond-and-back
I really don't want this thread to start up again, but I had to tell you that you are a moron. That is all. Goody day...
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Quote Originally Posted by yesterday:
I can't believe two things that this thread went on for as long as it did, and that it has finally signed off. I spent an almost entire MLB off season away from covers, and checking back in for preseason research here I find that thread still going, almost. If anyone is still reading this, God bless you. For anyone with any doubts about the fact that there is an afterlife, check this out, these stories are simply amazing, and they are real. https://www.biography.com/tv/i-survived-beyond-and-back
I really don't want this thread to start up again, but I had to tell you that you are a moron. That is all. Goody day...
I mean he is the son of God, why does it matter that he gave his human life on the cross. What is a human life worth in the Kingdom of God?
Is this really that big of a sacrifice? Think about it. If he dies at 27 or at 77 what is the difference? If he dies in his sleep or on the cross, what is the big deal? He is the son of God for crying out loud, what would the worldly issues matter for his life when he will spend the next 10,000 years at the right hand of God?
Puzzling.
Christianity is silly nonsense and it's a same that we still have people in 2012 that believe in a man/god/zombie came to earth in a human costume for the sole purpose of killing himself for some original sin that never happened. Then he rose the dead after three days then flew away to outer space after being dead for a few days. If that was bad enough, he's supposed to come back and take only the people were gullible enough to believe the story i just told you.
The fact is God is not necessary for anything. It does nothing, says nothing, the same things imaginary and non existent things do.
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
what is the big deal?
I mean he is the son of God, why does it matter that he gave his human life on the cross. What is a human life worth in the Kingdom of God?
Is this really that big of a sacrifice? Think about it. If he dies at 27 or at 77 what is the difference? If he dies in his sleep or on the cross, what is the big deal? He is the son of God for crying out loud, what would the worldly issues matter for his life when he will spend the next 10,000 years at the right hand of God?
Puzzling.
Christianity is silly nonsense and it's a same that we still have people in 2012 that believe in a man/god/zombie came to earth in a human costume for the sole purpose of killing himself for some original sin that never happened. Then he rose the dead after three days then flew away to outer space after being dead for a few days. If that was bad enough, he's supposed to come back and take only the people were gullible enough to believe the story i just told you.
The fact is God is not necessary for anything. It does nothing, says nothing, the same things imaginary and non existent things do.
Well your faith is wrong. There was a Christian missionary by the name of Daniel Everett who went to the amazon to try to convert a tribe to Christianity. Come to find out that not only have they never heard of Jesus (no surprise since he doesn't exist anywhere there are no bibles or previously indoctrinated Christians) but they don't believe in any Gods of any sort at all. To them the world has just always been as it is now. They thought his beliefs were silly. In fact because of them, he the former Christian missionary is an atheist today. Now, why didn't your faith tell you about this story before you posted that nonsense?
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
My faith tells me that everyone is "without excuse". This tells me that everyone deep down knows there is a God, doesnt matter who you are, where you are, what race, tall, short rich, poor you are, everyone knows God exists.
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Well your faith is wrong. There was a Christian missionary by the name of Daniel Everett who went to the amazon to try to convert a tribe to Christianity. Come to find out that not only have they never heard of Jesus (no surprise since he doesn't exist anywhere there are no bibles or previously indoctrinated Christians) but they don't believe in any Gods of any sort at all. To them the world has just always been as it is now. They thought his beliefs were silly. In fact because of them, he the former Christian missionary is an atheist today. Now, why didn't your faith tell you about this story before you posted that nonsense?
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
My faith tells me that everyone is "without excuse". This tells me that everyone deep down knows there is a God, doesnt matter who you are, where you are, what race, tall, short rich, poor you are, everyone knows God exists.
Christianity is silly nonsense and it's a same that we still have people in 2012 that believe in a man/god/zombie came to earth in a human costume for the sole purpose of killing himself for some original sin that never happened. Then he rose the dead after three days then flew away to outer space after being dead for a few days. If that was bad enough, he's supposed to come back and take only the people were gullible enough to believe the story i just told you.
The fact is God is not necessary for anything. It does nothing, says nothing, the same things imaginary and non existent things do.
And how did the universe come into existence?
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Quote Originally Posted by Wayne317:
Christianity is silly nonsense and it's a same that we still have people in 2012 that believe in a man/god/zombie came to earth in a human costume for the sole purpose of killing himself for some original sin that never happened. Then he rose the dead after three days then flew away to outer space after being dead for a few days. If that was bad enough, he's supposed to come back and take only the people were gullible enough to believe the story i just told you.
The fact is God is not necessary for anything. It does nothing, says nothing, the same things imaginary and non existent things do.
The problem for you, is that you have about as much proof it was 'God,' as I have in saying it was 'HAL' from 2001 Space Odyssey.
If I had to guess, I'd tend to think it was the latter, and he did it just to fuck with us.
We'll probably never know for sure. Oh well.........
Not really.
I said i wasnt going to post anymore in this forum, but i should have clarified to say i wouldnt to KK, Miks and system as i have exhausted everything with them.
If you read through the posts , you will see that the latest cosmology studies indicate the universe began to exist. At this point, space, time and matter began to exist.
All indicators point to a spaceless, timeless and immaterial cause of the universe.....Wonder what that sounds like...
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Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:
Good question.
The problem for you, is that you have about as much proof it was 'God,' as I have in saying it was 'HAL' from 2001 Space Odyssey.
If I had to guess, I'd tend to think it was the latter, and he did it just to fuck with us.
We'll probably never know for sure. Oh well.........
Not really.
I said i wasnt going to post anymore in this forum, but i should have clarified to say i wouldnt to KK, Miks and system as i have exhausted everything with them.
If you read through the posts , you will see that the latest cosmology studies indicate the universe began to exist. At this point, space, time and matter began to exist.
All indicators point to a spaceless, timeless and immaterial cause of the universe.....Wonder what that sounds like...
So what if that man went to a tribe to convert and they never heard of Christ.
We see in the bible that God judges righteously. SO if you have never heard , God judges righteously....
You have heard, so there is no excuse for you
You just said that everyone (including this tribe) knows there is a God. These people are clear evidence that everyone does not know there is a God. So yes, your faith is wrong. Anybody with half a brain can see i refuted that statement.
Maybe you could explain why God never bothered to introduce himself to them? Funny how with no man made book called the bible Jesus doesn't exist.
Your ancient iron age middle eastern God does not judge righteously. It judges on one piece of criteria only. If you believe in a story that is in a book or not. You could be the most kind giving, loving person, never committed any crime and and has not gotten a traffic ticket or even littered. But if you don't believe a story in a book, according to your beliefs that person is going to be punished forever.
Meanwhile a serial killer on death row who's spent the last 15-20 asking for forgiveness convinces himself that Jesus has forgiven him. I have to use the word convince because there is no way anyone can verify if Jesus has done so or not since he's such a scared little box and is afraid to show up and verify it.
This serial killer according to your religion gets to go to heaven and a regular joe whose only crime was not belving in a book of magic gets punished forever. And you call that righteous? I call it bullshit. But i don't blame that on any God, because all Gods were made up by con men to trick stupid superstitious people to doing what they want them to do.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
My faith is wrong......
So what if that man went to a tribe to convert and they never heard of Christ.
We see in the bible that God judges righteously. SO if you have never heard , God judges righteously....
You have heard, so there is no excuse for you
You just said that everyone (including this tribe) knows there is a God. These people are clear evidence that everyone does not know there is a God. So yes, your faith is wrong. Anybody with half a brain can see i refuted that statement.
Maybe you could explain why God never bothered to introduce himself to them? Funny how with no man made book called the bible Jesus doesn't exist.
Your ancient iron age middle eastern God does not judge righteously. It judges on one piece of criteria only. If you believe in a story that is in a book or not. You could be the most kind giving, loving person, never committed any crime and and has not gotten a traffic ticket or even littered. But if you don't believe a story in a book, according to your beliefs that person is going to be punished forever.
Meanwhile a serial killer on death row who's spent the last 15-20 asking for forgiveness convinces himself that Jesus has forgiven him. I have to use the word convince because there is no way anyone can verify if Jesus has done so or not since he's such a scared little box and is afraid to show up and verify it.
This serial killer according to your religion gets to go to heaven and a regular joe whose only crime was not belving in a book of magic gets punished forever. And you call that righteous? I call it bullshit. But i don't blame that on any God, because all Gods were made up by con men to trick stupid superstitious people to doing what they want them to do.
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