If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

And how did the universe come into existence?

Not really.

I said i wasnt going to post anymore in this forum, but i should have clarified to say i wouldnt to KK, Miks and system as i have exhausted everything with them.

If you read through the posts , you will see that the latest cosmology studies indicate the universe began to exist. At this point, space, time and matter began to exist.

All indicators point to a spaceless, timeless and immaterial cause of the universe.....Wonder what that sounds like...

Christ is the son of God. My passage was refering to God "the Father". Christ is God is human flesh.

No one has an excuse in regrards to God the "holy Father".

You refuted nothing.

Maybe you could explain why God never bothered to introduce himself to them? Funny how with no man made book called the bible Jesus doesn't exist.

Maybe he has and your not listening.

Your ancient iron age middle eastern God does not judge righteously. It judges on one piece of criteria only. If you believe in a story that is in a book or not. You could be the most kind giving, loving person, never committed any crime and and has not gotten a traffic ticket or even littered. But if you don't believe a story in a book, according to your beliefs that person is going to be punished forever.

He judges righteously. You are not the judge, and neither am i.

You make an example of someone as if someone can live a life of sin free? That person you refer to in your example, he or she might look like that to you, but how do you know he doesnt beat himself off every night to little children or touches little kids innappropriately? DONT JUDGE.

Everyone is a sinner. The difference between a believer and non believer is tha the believer an ask for forgiveness.

Meanwhile a serial killer on death row who's spent the last 15-20 asking for forgiveness convinces himself that Jesus has forgiven him. I have to use the word convince because there is no way anyone can verify if Jesus has done so or not since he's such a scared little box and is afraid to show up and verify it.

Again, look at my example above, dont judge anyone. You dont know what is inside the heart and mind of anyone but yourself.

This serial killer according to your religion gets to go to heaven and a regular joe whose only crime was not belving in a book of magic gets punished forever. And you call that righteous? I call it bullshit. But i don't blame that on any God, because all Gods were made up by con men to trick stupid superstitious people to doing what they want them to do.

See above. So on one hand Gods were made up to control people, now the same people(s) are telling everyone God is not real.....Which one is it?

ALL religions are based on faith.  You either have faith or you don't.  I don't.  I'm an athiest and will argue to the death with anyone about it.

Religions are good for one thing.....WARS.

So, now you are saying that God should have done it differently? How do you know how Gods should act? What standard or basis do you have to compare this against? How do you know how he should have done it? Your answer will be nothing but speculation as you have no "manual" on how God should act.


"No one has an excuse in regrards to God the "holy Father".

Yes they do. Because the majority of the world currently and the majority of everyone who ever lived were and are non Christians. Because in their culture they didn't worship your God,
your beliefs state they deserve torture for all eternity because they grew up in the wrong geographical location.

There is a difference between someone NOT HEARING about the gospel at all and someone that does but rejectes it, ie, rejects Christ and chooses another religion. As i stated, God judges righteously.

"You refuted nothing."

That's not up to you but the people reading this. See when I debate science denying superstitious people like you my goal isn't to change your mind but the mind of the people reading that maybe on the fence one way or another.

In my view, your responses didnt refue anything. The scripture states that God judges righteously. End of discussion. if one has never heard of the Gospel, God doesnt send them to hell for not accepting Christ. This is a typical atheist misconception that fails..

"You make an example of someone as if someone can live a life of sin free? That person you refer to in your example, he or she might look like that to you, but how do you know he doesnt beat himself off every night to little children or touches little kids innappropriately? DONT JUDGE."

The point wasn't that they lived a sin free life. It doesn't matter if they live a sin free life or not. Your beliefs state that morality has NOTHING to in relation to going to your magical Disney land in the sky. Your God judges solely on if you believe in his incredibly silly story of him coming to earth and killing himself (suicide by cop) and that's it.

It has EVERYTHING to do with sin. That was the reason why Christ was crucified. It has everything to do with morality. I love how you try and degrade my God into a magical figure, i can already tell you are more anti God charged with emotion. I dont know why you keep on making judgements about who gets to go to heavan and who doesnt. Christ says many times there is ONLY one judge. I havent told anyone here if they are going to heavan to hell, yet you seem to think you can.

"Everyone is a sinner. The difference between a believer and non believer is tha the believer an ask for forgiveness."


I'm not, because i don't believe in your fairy tale nonsense and the only people i need to ask forgiveness for is people i may have treated wrong. You don't have to do that. You can treat anybody like shit, then say sorry to the dead Jesus and promise not to do it again and that settles it.

So your not a sinner?  You have already used Gods name in vain, so straight away you have sinned and backed that up with a lie claiming that you have never sinned.  Furthermore, you like most atheists seem to think that Chrostians can say " i will go and murder someone now, then after i do it, i will ask for forgiveness and all will be good". It doesnt work like that bud.

"Again, look at my example above, dont judge anyone. You dont know what is inside the heart and mind of anyone but yourself."

It doesn't matter what's in their heart if they don't believe in the Jesus suicide story. That's my whole point. Your God rewards people based on how gullible they are to believe in magic.

DONT JUDGE.


 "So on one hand Gods were made up to control people"

The clergy is still in charge of Churches right? They are lying sacks of shit. All of them. Telling kids they'll burn forever for not believing in a magical story.  You and them should be ashamed of yourselves. This is something i learned when i was 5 years old. Dead people stay dead, they don't wake up after a few days and fly to outerspace and promise to comeback later. Dead people don't' get out of their graves and walk around town. Are you kidding me?

Again, you are more anti God. Hypothetically, lets assume God doesnt exist, is it bad to tell someone that they will go to hell and scare them if they steal, lie, rape, murder etc? Maybe if people acted more in accordance with the commandments, the world wouldnt be such a f###ing mess the way it is.......

Who said anything about physically dead people walking up from there graves?

If Gods exist, then they are subject to the laws of physics for at least two reasons.

Everything we've ever tested obeys the laws of physics, therefore:

1. There's no compelling evidence to suggest something could exist without following those laws. (Wishful thinking doesn't count as evidence.)

2. Since nothing ever measured has ever broken those laws, that means gods (if they exist) have never "bent the rules" so either they don't want to, or they can't. Either way, they don't and never have.

Based on laws of physics that you claim your God made, the story of Jesus and his magical resurrection impossible.

(Con't)