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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

There is no other god. He says this like its fact. Go tell 70% of the world that. See how they react.

I just gave you evidence that there is only one God who sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior to live among us some 2040 years ago.

Do you have evidence that there is another god?...I can answer that for you...you have no evidence whatsoever...none...nil...zero! 

I thought you were an atheist? Atheist aren't suppose to believe in gods or any deity. You are part of that 70% of the world, let's hear your reaction?

 
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You are saying that 70% of the world believes in religions that are false. Their beliefs are bullshit. How can you justify this? With your usual circular logic. There is no evidence that your god exists at least with regards to other gods. ZERO. Even if a god exists, you have nothing but blind faith and arrogance supporting your erroneous claim that YOU KNOW WHICH GOD is real. Your logic is circular.

God - bible - jesus - god - bible - jesus...it proves nothing.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

You are saying that 70% of the world believes in religions that are false. Their beliefs are bullshit. How can you justify this? With your usual circular logic. There is no evidence that your god exists at least with regards to other gods. ZERO. Even if a god exists, you have nothing but blind faith and arrogance supporting your erroneous claim that YOU KNOW WHICH GOD is real. Your logic is circular.

God - bible - jesus - god - bible - jesus...it proves nothing.

There are numerous evidence that God exist. I have given you the bible, nature, man, the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Furthermore in the last 150 years we have witnessed the birth, growth, and phenomenal development of the study of biblical archaeology. This fascinating study has furnished background material for illustrating, illuminating, and in many cases authenticating of the message and meaning of the Old and New Testament Scriptures.

Those 70% of the world that do not believe in Christianity believe in various different faiths and a very very small percentage have no religious faiths whatsoever and so yes it is very plausible and not absurd that Christianity is the true religion especially when just focusing on the life of Jesus Christ, no other religion makes a claim that can even remotely come close to as to the claim that Jesus Christ our Lord Savior was the only begotten Son of God.

So I have given some evidence that God exists, what evidence do you have the God doesn't exist?

Since I have given some evidence that God exists, one can't say it's blind faith that we Christians have, this very thing you accuse us Christians of having in reality it is what you really have...you atheists have blind faith that God doesn't exist!

For you cannot answer my question with any convincing evidence that God doesn't exist.
 
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Correction: what evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?

 
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Correction: what evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?

I'll leave this question with Ayn Rand

She sums it all up quite nicely. You`re welcome.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

There are numerous evidence that God exist. I have given you the bible, nature, man, the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 

Furthermore in the last 150 years we have witnessed the birth, growth, and phenomenal development of the study of biblical archaeology. This fascinating study has furnished background material for illustrating, illuminating, and in many cases authenticating of the message and meaning of the Old and New Testament Scriptures.

Those 70% of the world that do not believe in Christianity believe in various different faiths and a very very small percentage have no religious faiths whatsoever and so yes it is very plausible and not absurd that Christianity is the true religion especially when just focusing on the life of Jesus Christ, no other religion makes a claim that can even remotely come close to as to the claim that Jesus Christ our Lord Savior was the only begotten Son of God.

So I have given some evidence that God exists, what evidence do you have the God doesn't exist?

Since I have given some evidence that God exists, one can't say it's blind faith that we Christians have, this very thing you accuse us Christians of having in reality it is what you really have...you atheists have blind faith that God doesn't exist!

For you cannot answer my question with any convincing evidence that God doesn't exist.

I'll give you some evidence that god doesn't exist as soon as you give me some evidence that leprechauns, Zeus, the flying spaghetti monster, and my invisible friend who talks to me doesn't exist...

 
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I'll leave this question with Ayn Rand

She sums it all up quite nicely. You`re welcome.


 
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Christians can't even agree on what a Christian is.

Is that so odd?...lol I mean have you agreed with everybody your whole entire life?...lol If you answer yes...you sir are a liar! and you have just broken one of God's Ten Commandments.

Do politicians we have in Washington always agree on issues and policies?

It's just an inherent characteristic we humans have that we just can't always be in agreement with everyone all of the time.

Nevertheless just because some Christians can't even agree on what a Christian is doesn't mean the Christian faith as a whole is flawed if that is your point.
 
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I'll give you some evidence that god doesn't exist as soon as you give me some evidence that leprechauns, Zeus, the flying spaghetti monster, and my invisible friend who talks to me doesn't exist...


Simple logic: the party making the claim has to prove it exists. Just because you can't prove System's invisible friend doesn't exist, doesn't mean we shouldn't doubt his existence. System and I aren't claiming god doesn't exist as if it defies logic or something tangible. We cannot see, feel, taste, smell, or hear god. We cannot see the effects of anything that would undoubtedly be god. Therefore, the natural belief is that god does not exist. Therefore, if you want to claim he DOES exist, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact that a lot of people believe something does not give it credibility. The bible is not a valid source because the validity of bible is based greatly on the existence of god to begin with. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


Simple logic: the party making the claim has to prove it exists. Just because you can't prove System's invisible friend doesn't exist, doesn't mean we shouldn't doubt his existence. System and I aren't claiming god doesn't exist as if it defies logic or something tangible. We cannot see, feel, taste, smell, or hear god. We cannot see the effects of anything that would undoubtedly be god. Therefore, the natural belief is that god does not exist. Therefore, if you want to claim he DOES exist, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact that a lot of people believe something does not give it credibility. The bible is not a valid source because the validity of bible is based greatly on the existence of god to begin with. 

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Ayn Rand just closed this thread.  move along now.
 
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And when do you think one is a Christian?

One becomes a Christian by receiving God's gift of salvation which is not complicated. The response to God's call is explained in these simple steps found in God's Word:

1) Admit you are a sinner and turn away from your sin.

Acts 3:19 says: "Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away."

Repent: literally means "a change of mind that results in a change of action." To repent, then, means to admit you are a sinner. You change your mind to agree with God that you are a sinner. The resulting "change in action" is, of course, the turning away from sin.

2) Believe Jesus Christ died on the cross to save you from your sins and give you eternal life.

John 3:16 says: For God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life."

Believing in Jesus is also a part of repenting. You change your mind from unbelief to belief, which results in a change of action.

3) Come to him by faith.

In John 14:6 Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."

Faith in Jesus Christ is a change of mind that results in a change of action—coming to him.

4) You may pray a simple prayer to God.

You may want to make your response to God a prayer. Prayer is simply communicating with God. Pray using your own words. There is no special formula. Just pray from your heart to God, and believe that he has saved you. If you feel lost and just don’t know what to pray, here’s a simple prayer, Pray, "Lord, I thank you for paying for the sins I have committed. I give my life to you. Teach me the right way to live. Amen."

5) Now, don’t doubt.

Salvation is by grace through faith. There’s nothing you did, or ever can do, to deserve it. It’s a free gift from God. All you have to do is receive it!

Ephesians 2:8 says: "God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God."

6) Tell someone about your decision.

Romans 10:9-10 says, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved."
 
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Well I guess we'll all find out when we die won't we?  You guys believing there's no existence of God better be right. 

Moses asked to see God and God replied that if he saw Him, that he wouldn't survive.  So God had Moses cover his eyes as he passed by him and let Moses see the trail that God left behind. It blinded Moses for a couple days.

I believe that we as humans are so flawed that seeing something so perfect and pure as God would only make our puny brains explode.

Take it for what it is, if you don't believe, I'll pray for you that God will somehow reveal Himself to you in your life. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jfinner:

Well I guess we'll all find out when we die won't we?  You guys believing there's no existence of God better be right. 

Moses asked to see God and God replied that if he saw Him, that he wouldn't survive.  So God had Moses cover his eyes as he passed by him and let Moses see the trail that God left behind. It blinded Moses for a couple days.

I believe that we as humans are so flawed that seeing something so perfect and pure as God would only make our puny brains explode.

Take it for what it is, if you don't believe, I'll pray for you that God will somehow reveal Himself to you in your life. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


I'll give you some evidence that god doesn't exist as soon as you give me some evidence that leprechauns, Zeus, the flying spaghetti monster, and my invisible friend who talks to me doesn't exist...

Oh dear

 
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Quote Originally Posted by RJSmith:

 

Do you have to be practising?

Do you have to be practicing? Well of course! All the time after you do the steps I outlined in the previous post. What do you think?, from Monday through Saturday you can go back to your old sinful ways, then on Sunday go to church and become a Christian again and God will dismiss all your sins every week?...lol

That is not how it works. See in step one that I gave you in previous post, it says, "admit you are a sinner and turn away from your sin."
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


Simple logic: the party making the claim has to prove it exists. Just because you can't prove System's invisible friend doesn't exist, doesn't mean we shouldn't doubt his existence. System and I aren't claiming god doesn't exist as if it defies logic or something tangible. We cannot see, feel, taste, smell, or hear god. We cannot see the effects of anything that would undoubtedly be god. Therefore, the natural belief is that god does not exist. Therefore, if you want to claim he DOES exist, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact that a lot of people believe something does not give it credibility. The bible is not a valid source because the validity of bible is based greatly on the existence of god to begin with. 

How do you expect to feel, hear and taste God when you dont believe he exists? How? Is God like your local shop keeper? You want to see him like you see the local shop keeper? Stop equivocating.

Natural belief is not to believe? Then why does 85% of the world believe in a GOD?

Is your world view that everything has to be proven to be true?

Well, on the 15th of Feb, i found an apple and ate it for lunch, how can i prove that to you? What are you going to say? It is not hard to believe that because many people eat apples....That is not the point, the point is, how CAN I PROVE TO YOU THAT I ATE AN APPLE FOR LUNCH ON THE 15th of feb?

Now do you still think everything can be proven?

 

 
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Hey Rostos if kk was to ever enter a debating contest he wouldn't have a chance to win any debates...lol

I asked him a simple question and it is very typical for an atheist not to have an answer because they don't have an answer.

He can't give any evidence on why he believes God doesn't exist.

Really sounds like he is guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist eh?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey Rostos if kk was to ever enter a debating contest he wouldn't have a chance to win any debates...lol

I asked him a simple question and it is very typical for an atheist not to have an answer because they don't have an answer.

He can't give any evidence on why he believes God doesn't exist.

Really sounds like he is guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist eh?

he has admitted to this when said that he doesnt know the cause of the universe, but when pushed, he said it "could be God".

Therefore if he doesnt think God exists, therefore, he has made a decision not based off any empirical evidence, therefore his decision not to belief is based on faith....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


Simple logic: the party making the claim has to prove it exists. Just because you can't prove System's invisible friend doesn't exist, doesn't mean we shouldn't doubt his existence. System and I aren't claiming god doesn't exist as if it defies logic or something tangible. We cannot see, feel, taste, smell, or hear god. We cannot see the effects of anything that would undoubtedly be god. Therefore, the natural belief is that god does not exist. Therefore, if you want to claim he DOES exist, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact that a lot of people believe something does not give it credibility. The bible is not a valid source because the validity of bible is based greatly on the existence of god to begin with. 



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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey Rostos if kk was to ever enter a debating contest he wouldn't have a chance to win any debates...lol

I asked him a simple question and it is very typical for an atheist not to have an answer because they don't have an answer.

He can't give any evidence on why he believes God doesn't exist.

Really sounds like he is guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist eh?

Besides the obvious lack of even basic understanding of logical argument, this will be more preaching to the choir...

Searching for particular examples of irreducible complexity is a fundamentallly unscientific way to proceed: a special case of arguing from present ignorance. It appeals to the same faulty logic as 'the God of Gaps' strategy condemned by the theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Creationists eagerly seek a gap in present day knowledge or understanding.
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If an apparent gap is found, it is assumed that God, by default, must fill it. What worries thoughtful theologians such as Bonhoeffer is that gaps shrink as science advances, and God is threatened with eventually having nothing to do and nowhere to hide.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey Rostos if kk was to ever enter a debating contest he wouldn't have a chance to win any debates...lol

I asked him a simple question and it is very typical for an atheist not to have an answer because they don't have an answer.

He can't give any evidence on why he believes God doesn't exist.

Really sounds like he is guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist eh?


dumb and dumber talking go each other 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Oh dear


sorry, it's so hard to understand...
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


Simple logic: the party making the claim has to prove it exists. Just because you can't prove System's invisible friend doesn't exist, doesn't mean we shouldn't doubt his existence. System and I aren't claiming god doesn't exist as if it defies logic or something tangible. We cannot see, feel, taste, smell, or hear god. We cannot see the effects of anything that would undoubtedly be god. Therefore, the natural belief is that god does not exist. Therefore, if you want to claim he DOES exist, the burden of proof is on you.

The fact that a lot of people believe something does not give it credibility. The bible is not a valid source because the validity of bible is based greatly on the existence of god to begin with. 

You're too funny kk...lol We have been discussing God on this thread all along and now when I corner you with a question that you can't answer, you throw out something in la la land...lol That's called dodging a question you know you can't answer...lol

You cannot see, feel, taste, smell or hear gravity but it exist. So your argument is weak and that is not good enough evidence.

The burden of proof is not on me...lol You make it sound like we're in court and I'm the prosecutor and you're the defendant charged with a heinous crime...lol

All I know is that you keep telling Rostos and I that you don't agree with us that God exist even after I presented you with several evidence of why I believe He exist and it is still not acceptable by you and so I then pose a simple straight forward question to you, and you dodge it. You dodge it because you are guilty of blind faith that God doesn't exist.

One more time, here is the question: What evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?
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