Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Why is it Climate Alarmists state the current climate change brings extreme weather yet the data shows the last 23 years as the quietist in the last 143 years when it comes to extreme highs and low temps???? United nations report climate related disasters increased 83% from 3656 events during 1980-1999 to 6681 during 2000-2019. Major floods have doubled, number of severe storms has increased 40% with major increases in droughts, wildfires and heatwaves.
@thirdperson
No, they have not. Same as with the hurricanes that you tried before -- all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Why is it Climate Alarmists state the current climate change brings extreme weather yet the data shows the last 23 years as the quietist in the last 143 years when it comes to extreme highs and low temps???? United nations report climate related disasters increased 83% from 3656 events during 1980-1999 to 6681 during 2000-2019. Major floods have doubled, number of severe storms has increased 40% with major increases in droughts, wildfires and heatwaves.
@thirdperson
No, they have not. Same as with the hurricanes that you tried before -- all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data.
all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data.
Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization. Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data.
Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization. Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data. Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization. Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
Who cares about ‘social media claims’.
Focus on the data that has been collected. None indicate anything of the sort the AGW alarmists claim.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data. Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization. Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
Who cares about ‘social media claims’.
Focus on the data that has been collected. None indicate anything of the sort the AGW alarmists claim.
@Raiders22 My wife & I will be buried in Michigan because Florida will be under water soon after we pass & we don't want our remains eaten by a gator. Not that we would feel it...
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@Raiders22 My wife & I will be buried in Michigan because Florida will be under water soon after we pass & we don't want our remains eaten by a gator. Not that we would feel it...
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data. Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization.Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
@thirdperson Thanks for presenting the conclusions from NOAA and WMO, as reported in the Associated Press and USA Today. It simply supports what most are willing to admit they've witnessed. If I am not mistaken I think they have already declared 2023 as the hottest in recorded history, or if not yet then they are about to
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: all of this has been broken down before. None of what you posted is true by the data. Climate scientists have debunked social media claims that extreme weather events are decreasing in severity. Actually, data confirms that extreme weather events are increasing in severity according to NOAA and World meteorological organization.Check out fact checks in USA today and Associated press.
@thirdperson Thanks for presenting the conclusions from NOAA and WMO, as reported in the Associated Press and USA Today. It simply supports what most are willing to admit they've witnessed. If I am not mistaken I think they have already declared 2023 as the hottest in recorded history, or if not yet then they are about to
The USA Today fact check says NOAA data shows more billion dollar events now than in the past. "NOAA data shows a steady increase in billion-dollar climate events since 1980."
Without considering inflation that is the stupidest way to push climate change. Actually it is disinformation.
WHY CAN'T THEY SAY MORE EVENTS, PERIOD???They DO NOT.
Found this in an old 1998 AMS Journal; When inflation, wealth, and population changes are taken into account, instead of increases, normalized damages actually decreased in the 1970s and 1980s. The 1990s, so far, are more akin to the normalized damages that occurred during the 1940s and 1960s, and are by no means unprecedented. Thus, caution is urged in interpreting statements regarding the increasing number of “billion-dollar losses” or other such measures .
Recent increases in the impacts of hurricanes in the United States have focused attention on them. In addition, the increased damages related to hurricanes have been attributed to climate change by the U.S. Senate, many in the insurance industry, and Newsweek magazine, among many others (U.S. Senate Bipartisan Task Force on Funding Disaster Relief 1995, hereafter BTFFDR; Dlugolecki 1996; cover of Newsweek, 21 January 1996). Recent research indicates that this attribution has been made incorrectly, leading to a conclusion that the factors responsible for documented trends in hurricane impacts are widely misunderstood
This trend means that more frequent or more intense hurricanes are not the cause of increasing hurricane-related damages, rather society has become more vulnerable to the effects of hurricanes (Pielke 1997).
A storm that made landfall many years ago would cause significantly greater damage today simply because there are more people and property located in vulnerable coastal locations.
Wasn't it nice that such honesty could be printed in the 1990's?
The USA Today fact check says NOAA data shows more billion dollar events now than in the past. "NOAA data shows a steady increase in billion-dollar climate events since 1980."
Without considering inflation that is the stupidest way to push climate change. Actually it is disinformation.
WHY CAN'T THEY SAY MORE EVENTS, PERIOD???They DO NOT.
Found this in an old 1998 AMS Journal; When inflation, wealth, and population changes are taken into account, instead of increases, normalized damages actually decreased in the 1970s and 1980s. The 1990s, so far, are more akin to the normalized damages that occurred during the 1940s and 1960s, and are by no means unprecedented. Thus, caution is urged in interpreting statements regarding the increasing number of “billion-dollar losses” or other such measures .
Recent increases in the impacts of hurricanes in the United States have focused attention on them. In addition, the increased damages related to hurricanes have been attributed to climate change by the U.S. Senate, many in the insurance industry, and Newsweek magazine, among many others (U.S. Senate Bipartisan Task Force on Funding Disaster Relief 1995, hereafter BTFFDR; Dlugolecki 1996; cover of Newsweek, 21 January 1996). Recent research indicates that this attribution has been made incorrectly, leading to a conclusion that the factors responsible for documented trends in hurricane impacts are widely misunderstood
This trend means that more frequent or more intense hurricanes are not the cause of increasing hurricane-related damages, rather society has become more vulnerable to the effects of hurricanes (Pielke 1997).
A storm that made landfall many years ago would cause significantly greater damage today simply because there are more people and property located in vulnerable coastal locations.
Wasn't it nice that such honesty could be printed in the 1990's?
Canada on Tuesday released final regulations mandating that all passenger cars, SUVs, crossovers and light trucks sold by 2035 must be zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs), part of the government's overall plan to combat climate change.
ZEVs must make up at least 20% of all cars sold by 2026 and at least 60% by 2030.
Industry officials say electric vehicles (EVs) represented 12.1% of new vehicle sales in the third quarter of 2023.
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By David Ljunggren OTTAWA (Reuters) -
Canada on Tuesday released final regulations mandating that all passenger cars, SUVs, crossovers and light trucks sold by 2035 must be zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs), part of the government's overall plan to combat climate change.
ZEVs must make up at least 20% of all cars sold by 2026 and at least 60% by 2030.
Industry officials say electric vehicles (EVs) represented 12.1% of new vehicle sales in the third quarter of 2023.
World is dangerously close to a global warming limit as 2023 was hottest on record
CNN —
Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold.
Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015.
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HEADLINES today . . . Jan 9
World is dangerously close to a global warming limit as 2023 was hottest on record
CNN —
Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold.
Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015.
HEADLINES today . . . Jan 9 World is dangerously close to a global warming limitas 2023 was hottest on record CNN — Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold. Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015.
The data and an analysis, published by Copernicus —?the EU’s climate and weather monitoring agency — says that global warming may worsen at the start of this year, projecting that a 12-month period ending in February will likely breach 1.5 degrees.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
HEADLINES today . . . Jan 9 World is dangerously close to a global warming limitas 2023 was hottest on record CNN — Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold. Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015.
The data and an analysis, published by Copernicus —?the EU’s climate and weather monitoring agency — says that global warming may worsen at the start of this year, projecting that a 12-month period ending in February will likely breach 1.5 degrees.
NOAA data shows more billion dollar events now than in the past. "NOAA data shows a steady increase in billion-dollar climate events since 1980." Without considering inflation that is the stupidest way to push climate change.
Inflation has been taken into account in calculating $1 billion climate disasters based on consumer price index set to 2023 according to National center for environmental information.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
NOAA data shows more billion dollar events now than in the past. "NOAA data shows a steady increase in billion-dollar climate events since 1980." Without considering inflation that is the stupidest way to push climate change.
Inflation has been taken into account in calculating $1 billion climate disasters based on consumer price index set to 2023 according to National center for environmental information.
From NOAA; The combined total cost of these 2023 disasters is $81 billion.
From Verisk.com;
--September 18th, 1926, the Great Miami Hurricane cost $128 billion dollars in 2017 costs. (Add about 10% for today) ONE hurricane, only one!
--September 17th, 1928, The Great Okeechobee Hurricane cost $78 billion in 2017 costs. Again, one event.
Add to that; A storm that made landfall many years ago would cause significantly greater damage today simply because there are more people and property located in vulnerable coastal locations.
From NOAA; The combined total cost of these 2023 disasters is $81 billion.
From Verisk.com;
--September 18th, 1926, the Great Miami Hurricane cost $128 billion dollars in 2017 costs. (Add about 10% for today) ONE hurricane, only one!
--September 17th, 1928, The Great Okeechobee Hurricane cost $78 billion in 2017 costs. Again, one event.
Add to that; A storm that made landfall many years ago would cause significantly greater damage today simply because there are more people and property located in vulnerable coastal locations.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: HEADLINES today . . . Jan 9 World is dangerously close to a global warming limitas 2023 was hottest on record CNN — Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold. Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015. The data and an analysis, published by Copernicus —?the EU’s climate and weather monitoring agency — says that global warming may worsen at the start of this year, projecting that a 12-month period ending in February will likely breach 1.5 degrees.
But scientists are far more concerned about a long-term state of warming of 1.5 degrees and above — rather than individual years. Above that threshold, many of the Earth’s ecosystems will struggle to adapt and summertime heat will approach the limits of human survivability in some places.
The unprecedented heat in 2023 was caused primarily by climate change, Copernicus said
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: HEADLINES today . . . Jan 9 World is dangerously close to a global warming limitas 2023 was hottest on record CNN — Global warming in 2023 hit an alarming +1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold. Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015. The data and an analysis, published by Copernicus —?the EU’s climate and weather monitoring agency — says that global warming may worsen at the start of this year, projecting that a 12-month period ending in February will likely breach 1.5 degrees.
But scientists are far more concerned about a long-term state of warming of 1.5 degrees and above — rather than individual years. Above that threshold, many of the Earth’s ecosystems will struggle to adapt and summertime heat will approach the limits of human survivability in some places.
The unprecedented heat in 2023 was caused primarily by climate change, Copernicus said
As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
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As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
Of course everybody should understand that, unless they are climate deniers.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
Of course everybody should understand that, unless they are climate deniers.
As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
Not true for the United States. Illinois, Maine, and Oklahoma set alltime record lows in the 2000's. Illinois most recent in 2019
Colorado, South Carolina, and Washington were the only states to set alltime highs since year 2000.
3 and 3.
In the period between 1920 to 1939 there were 26 max highs set or equaled and 10 max lows set or equaled in the United States. 26 to 10.
So 1930's; 26--10
2000-2023; 3-3
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years.
Not true for the United States. Illinois, Maine, and Oklahoma set alltime record lows in the 2000's. Illinois most recent in 2019
Colorado, South Carolina, and Washington were the only states to set alltime highs since year 2000.
3 and 3.
In the period between 1920 to 1939 there were 26 max highs set or equaled and 10 max lows set or equaled in the United States. 26 to 10.
Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."
Beard and several other Tesla owners were trying to charge their cars amid long lines and abandoned cars at other Tesla charging stations in the Chicago area, the news station reported.
"This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously," said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.
We got a bunch of dead robots out here," one man said.
We have ways to go before technology beats fossil fuels.
Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."
Beard and several other Tesla owners were trying to charge their cars amid long lines and abandoned cars at other Tesla charging stations in the Chicago area, the news station reported.
"This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously," said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.
We got a bunch of dead robots out here," one man said.
We have ways to go before technology beats fossil fuels.
Since 2010 there are 16 locations with a new high temperature record and 18 locations with a new temperature low record. Heat records not outpacing cold records here.
Of course all those low records are considered "extreme" from climate change.
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Looking at Ontario, Canada. 82 locations.
Since 2010 there are 16 locations with a new high temperature record and 18 locations with a new temperature low record. Heat records not outpacing cold records here.
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