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Mack &  ZOUK & Nutty

Question?

With Mayweather choosing May 5 at the MGM for his next fight....I do not believe the rumors of a PACMAN or Morales fight......But do you guys think it could be Cotto, S. Martinez, Chavez Jr. or Canelo? Also based on recent statements by Amir, I think he is moving towards a fight with Tim Bradley.......I want to see the PAC vs May fight but with the date being Cinco de Mayo......I believe it is one of the four listed above........and hopefully not E. Morales.

Your thoughts!

ZOUK,

Can you say, "Home Cooking". Stamina issues and unpolished. Time for some change (Trainer).......No work to the body but got out worked to the body by a head hunter......

Until the change in trainer is made.......B-Fighter with low level paydays 

ZOUK,

Agreed on your accessment on Bradley. Yes, Devon needs  to work more on stamina and polishing.......but as much as hate to say this (because I grew up with his trainer and some of his St. Louis handlers)....it's time for him look elsewhere for a Trainer. Devon has the skills and the tools but he is missing that push to move to the next level and a great deal falls on his Trainer (Fight plan, ability to keep fighter focused and the ability to improvize with in the fight). Devon also shares some of the blame but hopefully with more fights and experience comes that step up a true upper level fighter.

I suspect that Devon will get some home town cooking in the final decision this evening but he will really escape with a undeserving victory today.

Mack 05,

We had a similiar discussion earlier in the year...... Mayweather is about the MONEY. He will use any and all "tactics" to gain an advantage (ie. All's fair in love and war). Naazim R. pointed this tactic out in 24/7 episode #3...."he wins the battle before the fight......everyone should have been aware of this after watching DLH vs PF (24/7) when acted a complete fool.....after that everyone should have been hip to his tactics". PF wants the fight, he wants the MONEY and he wants the attention(FAME). He could fight Martinez, he could fight Cotto and make sizeable profits but he wants the big prize and that is the fight with PAC-MAN.

PF and his team are playing "shoot and volley" and we as fans are fuelling the frenzy......as we blog and/or twitter..... we are fuelling the fire and causing the estimated pay-off to increase for both fighters......if PF can make 22.5 million base from the SSM fight what do you think the base profit will be if he fights PAC-MAN???/

PF could make 20 million base off of Cotto and probably 15 million base off of Martinez but PAC-MAN is probably closer to 40 million base (w/o PPV) but the window of opportunity is closing

PAC-Man will be moving  to a new chapter in his life and boxing is going to take a back seat (it should because his country needs him to be focused and he probably  has aspiration to be president some day). So the window and the HUGE PAY DAY opportunity are closing for both fighters.

PF has 3 maybe 4 four more huge pay days and then he will fade but I think tragically PF's life and life style will ultimately be his undoing (ie.  LIFE and TIMES of 2Pac are examples that coming to mind) But as an African American, I hope and pray that he can escape his own demons......but I wonder!!!!!!!!

TEAM MAYWEATHER and TEAM PAC-MAN are media giants......don't underestimate them

just my opinion

I agree with the first two choices although I disagree with the weight for Martinez.....I told you in one of your previous post "I think FM can steal a belt @ 160LBS" and I think it will be Martinez as the victim....... FM would probably revert back to his old style of boxing with a slight mixture of the stand and fight (just to show Martinez who is faster)

Cotto (is a surprise) and FM and Arum presents other problems.  Cotto would want the fight but what happens when FM requests "Random Blood Testing".  Can Cotto say yes to this fight knowing that a yes means "Blood Testing" and thus a slap in the face of Manny and Arum. I know that Arum and Cotto have been at odds but this fight and subsequent loss to FM has the potential to be a career ender for Cotto. It would be a huge payday but do the ends justify the means for Cotto?????

Just My opinion

Mack 05

Williams barely beat S. Martinez (which I don't believe he did) but all that being said........ FM would find a way to beat Willaims inspite of the fact that PW is the jab king.

Question.

With FM's victory over SSM has he priced himself out of the market and does he have many marque fights left?????

Other than PacMan ( Great Money....... I don't believe that it would be a good match up.)

S. Martinez (Not good money ...... Martinez is a great athlete but an average boxer with very good speed)

A. Berto (Average money...... up and coming fighter..... but I believe is presently underachieving on his talent)

Where does FM go?????

Good points Mack

But I also think that the stagmina issues that I saw in SSM last 3 fights simply caught up with him. PFM gets all credit. Look at SSM last 3 fights (forget about the outcomes) watch his tactics.....he is drained in those fights very early.  Now look at PFM last 3 fights and look at the opposing fighters.....they are drained. Fighting a fast and ultra quick PFM is draining.....just listen ODH in his post fight interview, look at JMM (he said weight and speed was the problem) and Rick H. said he does so many things ....he made me work........

ALL CREDIT TO TEAM MAYWEATHER

PS>  PAC-MAN has soften his stance on the 14 day RANDOM DRUG TESTING>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE 05/03/2010......

ALL ROADS LEAD TO F. MAYWEATHER

FOLLOW UP:

Both fighters need to start fast but make sure that they feel the other fighter out and if they get caught with a crowd and/or judge pleaser punch.....learn from that mistake.

PFM will need to stick and slide.... stay low and keep his distance. I don't believe the SSM reach advantage will be significant unless he starts to establish the jab like Oscar did. Stay in center of the ring..... if you get caught on the ropes use the ropes as spring board , cover up and pot shot SSM with a upper cut (he can be had with this punch when he is on the offensive and at close range). Lastly clean accurate punch location....expose the holes in SSM defense.....make  SSM work to find you ....ie: tire  out SSM (alot of you say SSM has excellent stagmina...... look at his last 3 fights...ignore the outcome.....look at the holding and he 38 yrs and inactive for 16 months)

I like mayweather by UD in a close and spirited fight. I'm not going to place a wager on the fight bc I want to be able to see the fight and enjoy it. In the past, when I have wagered on "big events", I can't enjoy the action bc I'm caught between my wager and my passion. That being said Mayweather 116 - 112 or 115 - 113 by the judges.

Mosley has the talent but I not sure he has the patience to "outbox" PFM. He wants to bang, PFM wants to accummulate points (safety first) and win without taking the risks. Mosley is going to get his shots but PFM is going create distance and slow the pace down and work on the technical boxing.

If mosley can set traps that PFM falls into and he can steal rounds by using flashy punches and elevated connect rate (something unheard of versus PFM) then he has a chance...... or if he catch PFM with a bomb..... he needs to control the fight.....ie: RING GENERALSHIP

in the end, PFM will shoulder roll, counter over the looping right, he will slide/ pot shot and steal later rounds by sticking the jab (point accum.) ......Mosley will tire (Watch the Margo. fight ....we saw alot of holding and clinching after multiple punches thrown) and be frustrated PFM safety first routine

just my opinion

3) Serikzan Yeshmagambetor, Emmanuel Lucero, Fahsan 3k Battery, Hector Velazquez, Oscar Lurios, and Jorge Solis......these are all fighters in their prime and all have gone on to win major world titles.

Once again......igorance is bliss.

4) If need any information about his last 4 fights - please- please - return to the video attached the author's blog.

 a) read the captions in the video.

 b) listen to the video

 c) take notes

 d) do your research

 e) ask questions 

 f) If don't understand then blog "Freddy Roach"

PS> Did Bert Sugar tell you that PAC-man was in his top 100 and PFM was not??????

I notice you don't back up your opinions with facts and you seem to ignore the facts even when you see/hear them with your eyes and ears.  Does not surprise me!

1) My diction - your right! I will have to make sure I use Windows 7 to check my spelling and sentence structure.  Thanks for the advice.

2) I'm a Raiders fan and I'm old enough to remember this guy doing their football games (LA).

2) What funny to me about your statement is using R. Marotta and Bert Sugar in the same sentence and stating that PAC-man is Top 100 and PFM is not according them (you).

2) R. Marotta has decades of experience in sportcasting but Bert Sugar is considered the foremost historian on boxing. R

Rich Marotta has been covering boxing for about as long as "Quizno's" has been making hot and toasty subs. You used a sportcaster who covered LA professional sports and now covers boxing in the same contexts as Bert Sugar!

You're right.....ignorance is bliss.

3) Pac-man and the recognizable names on his resume (who were in their prime). Lets begin:

Nedal Hussein, Tetsutora Senrima, Wethya Sakmuangklang, Jorge Julio, Fahprakorb

Mack 05

Thanks for your fight advice and also for your opinions.....they are both respected and appreciated

see ya tomorrow

Mack,

i agree with alot of what you said, but i have to disagree with a couple of your conclusions.

Cheating - (I have never blogged about Pac-man and steroids) but I will remind you ....... Team Pac-man agreed to Random Testing with a 30 day window.....yup we are in agreement inspite of the fact the NSC does not require it......Freddy Roach can be quoted as saying that. Mayweather counters with a 14 day window and then Team Pac-man says: NO.....let NSC do their job and lets abide by their rules.  I not saying that Pac-man is using bc I have no proof but I question the 180 turn around...... "You can't start down the path and then when the road narrows say I don't want to play...... it draws suspicion!  In my book... Only suspicion nothing more.

Cheating (Integrity) - James Toney v. John Ruiz.......the drug testing and subsequent response by Freddy Roach on why his fighter chose to cheat. Fighter has a bum shoulder so we decide to cheat + potential loss of money = INTEGRITY. We can debate the use of Xylocaine but I remember PFM in an Previous 24/7 series being injected with it and the commentator discussing it (Legal...yes.....Should it be used in boxing....NO). My point is I never heard Toney or Roach  talk about using steroids before the fight.

Standards - The problem does not lie with Mayweather! I know you agree with the upgraded testing standard..... but boxing is a unique sport.....the average drug free boxer can do serious damage to another boxer on any given day.....now add steroids to that equation! It is up to the boxers, the families of the boxer, the promoters and the fans to make the change happen.....it is not one man's problem....it's everyones problem. Look at the NBA, MLB and NFL....records broken by cheats, players dying (past and present) bc of steriods, lives and families ruined by drug use... one need only look back last week at a boxing news last week (with the toxicology report and his family's statement about his past history). I am not saying that Pac-man is using steroids and I not saying that Mayweather trying to clean up boxing but i will say that the truth about these boxers and their intent is woven in alot of lies.

Resume - mayweather is a cherry picker and he does/has ducked good fighters...but other than the 3 Mexican fighters, I don't see buffet of talent @ 125, 130, 135, 140 and 147 for Pac-man. Most of the name fighters were past their prime or shot fighters with only name recognition left.

My question to you is the weight comparasions...... PFM seems to be the smaller fighter in fights (except JMM and including Hatton who is naturally heavier but fights at a lower weight) But Pac-man for the most part has been heavier than his opponent but bc he started at 106lbs there is this perception that he is the little guy.

Mack,

Good write up and good luck to you on your bets.

Question: did you watch the "YouTube" video that GMO Navarro posted????  IF so what do you think about the weights, the Oscar issues, the "cherry picking" and Freddy Roach's comments about fighters, fights that were made and others that weren't made by  Team Pac-man?????  Does the video (if you believe the information) shed a new light on the this back and forth debate on who is fighting elite fighters and who is not ?????

Really want to hear your opinion

Quote from Bert Sugar from an Interview he did with Sports Nation on 6/18/2009:

Bert Sugar

  (4:00 PM)

While it is never been my habit to include a fighter who is still fighting, because I can not judge his entire career and/or where his prime was (his prime is where I judge) I think Manny Pacquiao is making one helluva case to be included. He's not only the greatest Asian fighter of all time, but the greatest lefthanded fighter of all time. But I will wait until I see where his next fights take him. I will wait on Mayweather. And, depending on July 18, Marquez.

Good for you, you've been listening. I've tried to tell Floyd. Although I've known Floyd since he was 9 (my wife is from Grand Rapids), Floyd has his own way of interpreting things. While I encourage him to have the confidence of a great, everything you said is correct. He will tell me that he is the greatest because he has no losses and Robinson had one loss in his 123 fights. 123 fights! That was a loss to LaMotta, whom he beat in a return fight three WEEKS later. I will continue to support Floyd in his belief for himself, but not for me. Still, he's one helluva fighter. We'll see just how great July 18 against Marquez.

Looks like Bert Sugar does not either of them in the Top 100 but I wonder what he thought of PFM's win on July 18?????

PS> in the last blog, I said Tony PEP .. ..i meant to say Willie PEP..... you know #3 on Bert Sugar All time greatest boxer.

This conversations is not about what R. Marotta said or thinks.....if you want to start a blog about his opinions we can debate him for hours......R. Marotta.....aka your authority on boxing .......WOW

Burt Sugar has alot of fight knowledge but Burt Sugar will tell you, he does not respect boxers of this era for the very same reasons that the 2 videos states......words of Freddy Roach...... fighters ducking the best competition.....as the videos clearly point out. 

Also are saying that Bert Sugar does not think that PFM is in the Top 100 bc if you are then maybe we should blog " Bert Sugar and PFM" and reads some of his thoughts about PFM.......defensive skills second to none ......counterpunch skills second to none...... comparision to Boxing greats like Tony Pep... Pernell Whitacker...... Bert Sugar has raved about PFM talent since he was 8 yrs old and has discussed PFM god given talents for decades......... I will simply assume that your are Pac-man fan or a Mayweather hater......i am a boxing fan......i don't allow emotion to rule my bloggs....... 

Bert Sugar is pissed at PFM bc of his antics (negative effect on boxing) and he blames PFM for the collapse of the mega fight!!!!!!.

 are you disagreeing with my opinion or the "Tale of the Tape" facts and/or Freddy Roach's own interview statements????

Because Bert Sugar did not make any of those statements about Manny P. and he  surely did have anything to do with the official weight inspections. We see who is the bigger fighter.

If you don't think PFM has fought tough fights ....fine...but that is not the issue in this blog......its about the misconception about Team Pac-man and his true motives.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS......and the MONEY.!!!!!!!!

Trainer talks trash, trainer lies about knowledge of Steriod use (James Toney anyone), and he fights for the big money only.......sounds like MONEY Mayweather antics

Just my opinion

A couple of things come to mind as I watch these videos:

1) to all the Pac-man worshipers...... Manny is a great fighter and a great talent but his exploits are not that great considering what we all know!!!!!

  a) Boxers like Ricky Hatton, Paul Williams and Art. Gatta would lose significant amounts of weight to fight at a smaller weight classes for their "power" advantages

  b) Ricky would ballon upto 180lbs (aka Ricky Fatton as he called himself) is a cruiser weight.  Paul Williams everyday weight is 175 lb range.......Lt. Heavy.  Art. Gatta would ballon upto 165 lbs ....super MW.......none of these guys possess the power or ability to take punishment at those weights

  c) Manny is a WW and has been one of at least 5 years.....the only questions are could he retain his power, was there catch weight opportunities........ realistically Manny could fight at 154 lbs w/ limits (win a title..... Cory Spinks& Alfredo Angula) and could probably steal a belt @ 160lbs under the right circumstances.

2) No replies from all the PAc-man lovers.......no replies or responses.......PRICELESS

3) After everything we have seen, researched and watched it still comes down to the fighters in the ring.......ultimately I still believe that they and the judges make the finally decision.

PS> I remember Larry Merchant saying that has no reason to not believe Freddy Roach in regards to steroid use and Manny P.

I wonder if his belief in Freddy Roach extends to his other fighters or just Manny P........just curious!!!!

Just my opinions

The only questions now are:

1) Will the winner fight L. Bute and where?

2) After Kelly Pavlik fights his rematch (why bother and can he and/or does he the desire to make weight) who does he fight @ 168Lbs.

3) Will Chad Dawson move down to 168lbs (he fought most of his fight at that weight)

4) When will JOE CAL.  return and will it be at 168lbs.

I said these same things about Pacquico in a "MACK 05 blogg" back in January...... and the Mayweather haters said.......its not a publicity stunt......i pointed out that Team Pac-man cherry picked his opponents......I pointed out the DaLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton and D. Daiz  fights were a farce and no one did their research. , most people shot from the hip.....

Whether this video is factual or not .....it does show the fighters weights........  FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.......RIGHT.....more like manipulation of the public and the facts.......or public ignorance to the obvious facts.????????

People in this blog.....say Mayweather tanked the fight with Team Pac_man but I tell you that Team Pac-man really did not want the fight.  why u ask????

ONE Answer:  10 million dollar weight clause!!!

Pac_man is the WBO WW and Ring Mag. WW of the world and he wants a weight clause for PFM. If you know boxing you know Team Pac-man is not concerned about the 147lb limit......they are concerned about PFM re-hydrating his body upto Jr. MW or Middle weight levels. Because PFM will carry the weight and the speed and the stagima, and the later rounds will take there toll on Pac-man....ie PFM will punish him in the later rounds......Look at Pac-man at the end of the Clottey fight, watch rounds 9 -11 and you see the shot that Pac-man took and see that he is exhausted.... weight , number of punches he had thrown and the heavy handed puches he had absorbed>>>> 

Mosley would swing for the fences early and often. PFM would shoulder roll, keep his distance, rough house Pac-man in an attempt to tire him and wear him down......if don"t think that Pac-man wears down watch his last 2 fights from rounds 9 -12. He connects but he stops for breathers........ i need to know when PFM rests.....he defends and then waits to run out of steam( could be key to the Mosley fight).

But don't take my word for it ......let Freddy roach explain it and then check the "TALE OF THE TAPE"

JUST My opinion