Youre one of the few people i pay attention to on here but are we talking about bucks regressing because theyre 8-1 ATS this postseason? Celtics couldnt hit a shot and flamed out, not team chemistry and Kyrie drama, while the Bucks played near their averages I'd hardly say they were playing that much higher than theyre used to. Id think Kawhi regressing some is more likely. Just my thoughts but i kinda love the bucks here
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Youre one of the few people i pay attention to on here but are we talking about bucks regressing because theyre 8-1 ATS this postseason? Celtics couldnt hit a shot and flamed out, not team chemistry and Kyrie drama, while the Bucks played near their averages I'd hardly say they were playing that much higher than theyre used to. Id think Kawhi regressing some is more likely. Just my thoughts but i kinda love the bucks here
Youre one of the few people i pay attention to on here but are we talking about bucks regressing because theyre 8-1 ATS this postseason? Celtics couldnt hit a shot and flamed out, not team chemistry and Kyrie drama, while the Bucks played near their averages I'd hardly say they were playing that much higher than theyre used to. Id think Kawhi regressing some is more likely. Just my thoughts but i kinda love the bucks here
Not really because of 8-1 ATS, but last 4 games pt margin is over 16 pts per game and they are off a big 25 pt blowout . Their regular season AVE IS 8.87 PTS. ALMOST DOUBLE THAT PAST 4 GAMES, NOT SUSTAINABLE.
They almost certainly will return back to a more reasonable ave by playing below their ave by at least a somewhat good amount.
It's coming but could possibly be game 2, but almost certainly coming. Would not want to miss it if comes game 1 which very well could be.
If we lose here will up our play game 2.
I would not back the Bucks here if anything I'd pass.
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Quote Originally Posted by Big_Hoss:
Youre one of the few people i pay attention to on here but are we talking about bucks regressing because theyre 8-1 ATS this postseason? Celtics couldnt hit a shot and flamed out, not team chemistry and Kyrie drama, while the Bucks played near their averages I'd hardly say they were playing that much higher than theyre used to. Id think Kawhi regressing some is more likely. Just my thoughts but i kinda love the bucks here
Not really because of 8-1 ATS, but last 4 games pt margin is over 16 pts per game and they are off a big 25 pt blowout . Their regular season AVE IS 8.87 PTS. ALMOST DOUBLE THAT PAST 4 GAMES, NOT SUSTAINABLE.
They almost certainly will return back to a more reasonable ave by playing below their ave by at least a somewhat good amount.
It's coming but could possibly be game 2, but almost certainly coming. Would not want to miss it if comes game 1 which very well could be.
If we lose here will up our play game 2.
I would not back the Bucks here if anything I'd pass.
As you said Elite teams cover game 1. I guess the question then is just how elite is this Bucks team? I guess we will find out tonight. I agree Raptors should take one of the games ats. Honestly with the theory that great teams cover game 1 and with what Giannis said about this game that this team will come out ready. Kawhi used his entire tank of gas game 7 (him and his 41 shots literally bailed them out every single possession) and I cant envision back to back 30+ shot games from him. Personally I think he comes out a bit slower himself trying to get more people involved. Because of this and Giannis' comment Im leaning Bucks 1H (if Kawhi doesnt need to turn it on til at half with them only down say 6 I think theyd take that.)
I can see either team full game but I cant get past the fact that Bucks 1H might be the best play in this particular game (I usually prefer to take points myself but hey)
I don't think tonight will be a good indication of how Elite the Bucks are as they are due regression, but we will find out before this series is over.
Maybe Bucks will do what elite teams do and win SU &ATS tonight and look good, possible but I wouldn't read anything into it if they don't.
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Quote Originally Posted by GuruTom:
As you said Elite teams cover game 1. I guess the question then is just how elite is this Bucks team? I guess we will find out tonight. I agree Raptors should take one of the games ats. Honestly with the theory that great teams cover game 1 and with what Giannis said about this game that this team will come out ready. Kawhi used his entire tank of gas game 7 (him and his 41 shots literally bailed them out every single possession) and I cant envision back to back 30+ shot games from him. Personally I think he comes out a bit slower himself trying to get more people involved. Because of this and Giannis' comment Im leaning Bucks 1H (if Kawhi doesnt need to turn it on til at half with them only down say 6 I think theyd take that.)
I can see either team full game but I cant get past the fact that Bucks 1H might be the best play in this particular game (I usually prefer to take points myself but hey)
I don't think tonight will be a good indication of how Elite the Bucks are as they are due regression, but we will find out before this series is over.
Maybe Bucks will do what elite teams do and win SU &ATS tonight and look good, possible but I wouldn't read anything into it if they don't.
If Raps do win SU in game 2, just when people start thinking maybe Raps can beat the Bucks that will set-up some great spots on the Bucks down the road.
Warriors grab big-time control over the series VS Blazers taking a commanding 2-0 series lead,
Blazers will have some moments at home and likely get at least 1 SU win, as we should have at least 1 play off my lines.
Blazers have little chance to none to win series.
Durant ruled out games 3 & 4, has not stepped on the court yet.
Hopefully he makes it back, when Bucks beat them I don't want any excuses.
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If Raps do win SU in game 2, just when people start thinking maybe Raps can beat the Bucks that will set-up some great spots on the Bucks down the road.
Warriors grab big-time control over the series VS Blazers taking a commanding 2-0 series lead,
Blazers will have some moments at home and likely get at least 1 SU win, as we should have at least 1 play off my lines.
Blazers have little chance to none to win series.
Durant ruled out games 3 & 4, has not stepped on the court yet.
Hopefully he makes it back, when Bucks beat them I don't want any excuses.
Durant ruled out games 3 & 4, has not stepped on the court yet.Hopefully he makes it back, when Bucks beat them I don't want any excuses.
You continue to provide excellent insight Claw...keep it going.
Your confidence in the Bucks is commendable. If, however, Durant is not able to return at all, and the Warriors beat the Bucks without KD...you won't be crestfallen, will you?
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
Durant ruled out games 3 & 4, has not stepped on the court yet.Hopefully he makes it back, when Bucks beat them I don't want any excuses.
You continue to provide excellent insight Claw...keep it going.
Your confidence in the Bucks is commendable. If, however, Durant is not able to return at all, and the Warriors beat the Bucks without KD...you won't be crestfallen, will you?
Very strong spot for Raps tonight, if Raps win SU will set-up some great, spots on Bucks down the road, as of now though, Bucks playing on to high an unsustainable level,
What goes up must come down and that'd be the Bucks tonight....................................
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Raptors +6.5 over Bucks --- 4.4 units
Raptor ML +246 --- .5 units to win 1.23 units
Bucks/Raps UNDER 217.5 --- 1.1 units
Bucks TT UNDER 112 --- 1.1 units
Very strong spot for Raps tonight, if Raps win SU will set-up some great, spots on Bucks down the road, as of now though, Bucks playing on to high an unsustainable level,
What goes up must come down and that'd be the Bucks tonight....................................
They might be due for regression if they were not playing some of their all-time best ball.
Raptors gave their best punch in game 1 and came short. When a weaker team plays a dominant home team and they get close to winning like that on the road and fall short, they usually get blown out game 2.
Just look at GSW vs SAS game 1 of the 2017 conference finals. Spurs almost steal game 1, and get destroyed game 2 afterwards in almost the same way we saw tonight.
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They might be due for regression if they were not playing some of their all-time best ball.
Raptors gave their best punch in game 1 and came short. When a weaker team plays a dominant home team and they get close to winning like that on the road and fall short, they usually get blown out game 2.
Just look at GSW vs SAS game 1 of the 2017 conference finals. Spurs almost steal game 1, and get destroyed game 2 afterwards in almost the same way we saw tonight.
They might be due for regression if they were not playing some of their all-time best ball.
Raptors gave their best punch in game 1 and came short. When a weaker team plays a dominant home team and they get close to winning like that on the road and fall short, they usually get blown out game 2.
Just look at GSW vs SAS game 1 of the 2017 conference finals. Spurs almost steal game 1, and get destroyed game 2 afterwards in almost the same way we saw tonight.
Yes there is alot of history showing that the road team gets 1 good chance to win 1 of 2 road games in game 1& 2 but those situations like the Spurs/Nuggets don't involve teams in regression like this situations.
Regression is not an exact science, you can't just point out one or two failures as saying "so much for regression".
We already hit a +400 ML and ATS winner with Pistons 1st half GAME 4 and we swept the board going 4-0 on Celtics game 1 on the road winning both 1st half and game ATS & ML.
And we did that going against this same Bucks team playing on a very high level.
And we are not done yet with Raps as Bucks go deeper and deeper into regression we can get most if not all of that back in 1 game.
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Quote Originally Posted by The_NBA:
They might be due for regression if they were not playing some of their all-time best ball.
Raptors gave their best punch in game 1 and came short. When a weaker team plays a dominant home team and they get close to winning like that on the road and fall short, they usually get blown out game 2.
Just look at GSW vs SAS game 1 of the 2017 conference finals. Spurs almost steal game 1, and get destroyed game 2 afterwards in almost the same way we saw tonight.
Yes there is alot of history showing that the road team gets 1 good chance to win 1 of 2 road games in game 1& 2 but those situations like the Spurs/Nuggets don't involve teams in regression like this situations.
Regression is not an exact science, you can't just point out one or two failures as saying "so much for regression".
We already hit a +400 ML and ATS winner with Pistons 1st half GAME 4 and we swept the board going 4-0 on Celtics game 1 on the road winning both 1st half and game ATS & ML.
And we did that going against this same Bucks team playing on a very high level.
And we are not done yet with Raps as Bucks go deeper and deeper into regression we can get most if not all of that back in 1 game.
Brutally tough night, with only 1 game we did not have the chance to win another game and at least get some back, but hopefully we do that tonight.
On the bright side, OUR incredible Bucks machine keeps on rolling, we're 1 game closer ................................
Bucks might be better then even we thought they were and we thought they were one of best teams since 1980, but eventually they more then likely come back to earth at least some.
Now we are seeing some articles written on them as this monster, all signs they have peaked and regression, big regression might be very near.
With their big win Bucks re-qualify as a regression fade, Bucks go deeper into regression, , plays become even better., higher probability.
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games 0-2 ATS, lost 5.5 units
ML --- 0-1, lost .5 units
totals 0-2 ATS , lost 2.2 units
Brutally tough night, with only 1 game we did not have the chance to win another game and at least get some back, but hopefully we do that tonight.
On the bright side, OUR incredible Bucks machine keeps on rolling, we're 1 game closer ................................
Bucks might be better then even we thought they were and we thought they were one of best teams since 1980, but eventually they more then likely come back to earth at least some.
Now we are seeing some articles written on them as this monster, all signs they have peaked and regression, big regression might be very near.
With their big win Bucks re-qualify as a regression fade, Bucks go deeper into regression, , plays become even better., higher probability.
Maybe the Bucks are bringing their best game every game to be sure they don't go to longer series as Warriors might be more rested, and in return the Warriors see this and see how good Bucks look so they in turn are doing the same thing.
Neither team wants to take their foot off the pedal, possible I suppose, maybe something to think about in future, we probably should at least keep an eye on this as a possible trend in future.
Blazers are not in class of the other 3 teams, Bucks, Warriors and Raps are Elite teams with common denominators of past champs, Bucks just happen to be the best of the 3.
With Warriors taking a commanding 3-0 lead, pretty much once again this year all 3 Elite teams will only lose to each other as happens almost every year.
These teams are on another level.
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0-1 ATS, lost 2.3 units
Maybe the Bucks are bringing their best game every game to be sure they don't go to longer series as Warriors might be more rested, and in return the Warriors see this and see how good Bucks look so they in turn are doing the same thing.
Neither team wants to take their foot off the pedal, possible I suppose, maybe something to think about in future, we probably should at least keep an eye on this as a possible trend in future.
Blazers are not in class of the other 3 teams, Bucks, Warriors and Raps are Elite teams with common denominators of past champs, Bucks just happen to be the best of the 3.
With Warriors taking a commanding 3-0 lead, pretty much once again this year all 3 Elite teams will only lose to each other as happens almost every year.
Win or lose I love your input and write ups. Keep it up my dude! I love my raptors but they've burned so much of my money. I might just hop on the total with ya. If raps win they need defense to win. And also I don't think Mil bench will perform the way they perform at home. BOL!
LETS GET MONEY!
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Win or lose I love your input and write ups. Keep it up my dude! I love my raptors but they've burned so much of my money. I might just hop on the total with ya. If raps win they need defense to win. And also I don't think Mil bench will perform the way they perform at home. BOL!
There should be more threads like this one on Covers. There is no name calling here...only posts intended to add to the goal we should all have in common...
handicap these games with enough input, from sharp minds, to give the greatest advantage in our predictions. Hat tip to you Claw for a willingness to share data and insights gained over the course of several years, in the pursuit of the common goal. Well done!
It is for that very reason I post the following:
Rather than look to last night's game between GS/Por as an exposure of Portland as an inferior team (which they are), flip that coin and recognize what a force GS can be when they are lazar-focused. Their bench has weaknesses, to be sure, but when Kerr gets everyone on the same page...watch out! DO NOT be lulled into the trap of looking at their regular season numbers as indicative of their capabilities or HEART. You have seen that heart on full display during KD's absence.
Kerr and his staff learned a valuable lesson during the 2015-16 season when they won 73 regular season games...the record came at a cost. Even LeBron will admit...the legs eventually reveal the milage after 90 games in a single season. My point is, GS took a lot of nights off during this regular season and lost 10+ games they would not have lost in 2015-16. They did that with May and June in mind guys.
Furthermore, is there a team on the planet that would not be made better with the addition of Kevin Durant?
So.....when the Ws and the Bucks tip off on Thursday, May 30th to begin the final series of 2019, remember those statistics you are relying on should have an asterisk, especially if KD is back at full-octane.
I take nothing away from the Bucks. They are the only other "elite" team this year...Portland and Toronto are pretenders. The Bucks' numbers speak for themselves and respect is truly due them. Giannis deserves every superlative thrown his direction. Indeed, he could possibly be the Finals MVP on a losing team.
I'm going to "Quote" this post during the Finals for your consideration when some of you will be blinded by the hype. It is only offered to be a contribution, not to demean or diminish the data or insights of some of you with handicapping minds which are far superior to mine.
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There should be more threads like this one on Covers. There is no name calling here...only posts intended to add to the goal we should all have in common...
handicap these games with enough input, from sharp minds, to give the greatest advantage in our predictions. Hat tip to you Claw for a willingness to share data and insights gained over the course of several years, in the pursuit of the common goal. Well done!
It is for that very reason I post the following:
Rather than look to last night's game between GS/Por as an exposure of Portland as an inferior team (which they are), flip that coin and recognize what a force GS can be when they are lazar-focused. Their bench has weaknesses, to be sure, but when Kerr gets everyone on the same page...watch out! DO NOT be lulled into the trap of looking at their regular season numbers as indicative of their capabilities or HEART. You have seen that heart on full display during KD's absence.
Kerr and his staff learned a valuable lesson during the 2015-16 season when they won 73 regular season games...the record came at a cost. Even LeBron will admit...the legs eventually reveal the milage after 90 games in a single season. My point is, GS took a lot of nights off during this regular season and lost 10+ games they would not have lost in 2015-16. They did that with May and June in mind guys.
Furthermore, is there a team on the planet that would not be made better with the addition of Kevin Durant?
So.....when the Ws and the Bucks tip off on Thursday, May 30th to begin the final series of 2019, remember those statistics you are relying on should have an asterisk, especially if KD is back at full-octane.
I take nothing away from the Bucks. They are the only other "elite" team this year...Portland and Toronto are pretenders. The Bucks' numbers speak for themselves and respect is truly due them. Giannis deserves every superlative thrown his direction. Indeed, he could possibly be the Finals MVP on a losing team.
I'm going to "Quote" this post during the Finals for your consideration when some of you will be blinded by the hype. It is only offered to be a contribution, not to demean or diminish the data or insights of some of you with handicapping minds which are far superior to mine.
Well said, @capuchaboy! This is the BEST ongoing POST ever shared on Covers! Nothing but pure CLASS by Claw and tons of great info! A daily "must read"! Thanks for all your detailed hard work and continued success!
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Well said, @capuchaboy! This is the BEST ongoing POST ever shared on Covers! Nothing but pure CLASS by Claw and tons of great info! A daily "must read"! Thanks for all your detailed hard work and continued success!
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