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Quote Originally Posted by pleasure_P:
boom here comes the PAIN gmen Apparently not as much PAIN as you received from your "Easy Pick". I wouldn't come back and face the music either after I made the dumbest proclamation in the history of Covers. One word: ELI. |
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Anyone know what these props are? -Hakeem Nicks scores a TD -Cruz total yards receiving |
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It's the Superbowl, let amateur hour begin. Reading some these lame, inaccurate posts makes me laugh. How have the Giants been getting all the calls? Do you really think Brady is going to put up 37 points? The Giants should win this game. Their defense will be able to make more stops. With that said, that's why they play the game. Not buying into the questions around the line. The Giants matchup well against the Pats. The play is Giants +3 and ML. |
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasSB:
What stands out to me is all the talk about how bad NE defense is but when you look at NY defense is pretty much just as bad.... NE ranks 31st in Pass D and 17th in Rush D, but they are +17 in T/A. NE has allowed 342 Points this year, ranked 15th. NY ranks 29th in Pass D and 19th in Rush D, they are +7 in T/A. NY has allowed 400 Points this year, ranked 25th. I guess the question is, who has a better pass O? NE ranks #2 in Pass O and #20 in Rush O. NE has scored 513pts. NY ranks #5 in Pass O and #32 in Rush O. NY has scored 394pts. I find it interesting that there is so much talk about how bad NE's Defense is, when NY's is equally as bad. The more I look at these stats, I believe NE is going to try and run the ball. I can see the Firm getting a ton of touches and even Hernandez getting some touches to open up the rushing game. In fact I like Hernandez as a darkhorse MVP. He could easily have a rushing TD and a reception TD. There is also alot of talk on Gronk's injury, but no one is talking about Bradshaws stress fracture in his foot. The only lopsided stats I see are NE rushing O vs. NY rushing D. NE +17 in T/A and NY +7 in T/A. The pass O & pass D matchup is pretty equal. The other one that would stand out is strength of schedule, which is lopsided in NY favor. The more I look at the more I like the under and the Pats -2.5, but not ready to jump just yet. Short Answer: No Stats can be misleading. The Giants D was at the bottom for the majority of the season. But these past 6 weeks or so have been a different story. That's where the difference is in this game. The Giants can get a consistent pass rush with 4 and drop everyone else back. |
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Quote Originally Posted by wjeremy97:
Patriots are 43-13 SU & 36-17-3 ATS in games when avenging a loss, according to Yea...and the Pats were something like 27-1 at home after a loss when they played the Giants in the regular season and we saw what happened in Foxboro. It's the Superbowl...neutral field...throw the trends out. Both teams can score, I just think the Giants have a few more stops in their defense. |
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Nah. Revenge is sweet. Manning has no business being in this game. Belichek takes Cruz away.....NE by 14+ Get a clue. You obviously haven't been watching this season unfold. Even if Belichek is able to take away Cruz, which I don't think will be easy, Nicks and Manningham will burn them. What's he going to do? Put Julian Edelman on him? Give me a break. |
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Quote Originally Posted by IgetMoney101:
7-4 Playoffs +11.15 units I am somewhat of a trend player and with that being said there is a key trend I cannot ignore. Teams to beat the defending SB champs in the playoffs have NEVER won their next playoff game. Well my Giants just beat GB and they have looked great over the last 3 games. The trend tells me they will lose to SF next Sunday. I do like SF without that trend anyways and here is why. The Giants have been on an emotional roller coaster over the past month and they just beat the best team in the regular season on the road. talk about an emotional high but now they have to travel to SF where they lost earlier in the year in a great game 27-20. I look at these Giants and I see last years Jets. Jets got hot late and in the 2nd round upset the best regular season team the Patriots. Then the next week they get their teeth kicked in by Pittsburgh. SF is the toughest team physically in the league and they create turnovers. They will get after Eli all game long and create turnovers. Alex will manage the game and SF special teams and defense will do their part. The best defense in the league gets it done. SF -2.5 5 units Are you comparing the Giants to the Jets because of similar schedule situations? Last year the Jets had a great defense, but an offense that stuggled mightily at times. The Giants (the last 4 weeks version) have a a dangerous and effective defense to go with an explosive and efficient offense. I don't see San Fran scoring enough points to win this game. Also, I don't see Alex Smith having another game like he did last week. What makes you think the Niners D will get after Eli? Have you watched the Giants play in recent weeks? The Giants Offensive line has showed no signs that they can't handle a 4-man rush and Eli has shown he will beat the blitz everytime. It might be close at the end, but I'll take Eli with the ball in the 4th quarter before Alex Smith. |
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Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:
Okay, there have been some good posts supporting both sides along with emotional/biased posts under topic heading NYG @ SF. Funny that most emotional/biased posts have been from Gmen backers. Come on Giants backer, we all know that "barking dogs seldom bite".Here is a sample of some posts; Niners = Overrated. The dogs got lucky at home.}} YEP all those breaks and still took em to the last 9 secs tp pull it out Nice team ...won with them straight up too ....but it ends here NYGMEN ML +115 I fucking love this bet and cant fucking wait to hear all the goddamn phony whiner fans clogging up the fucking airwaves bithching about this loss! Niners and their fans are all classless fucks! Go Seahawks and on Sunday Go Giants!! think how can the NEW YORK be the under dog people think? The GMEN is that is Valid enough This is the money making pick of the YEAR . . The Giants Will Win Straight up and down The Giants + Revenge - God help any team facing them. _________________________________________________ Let's focus on matchups; QB: Advantage NYG RB: Advantage SF FB: Advantage SF WR: Advantage NYG TE: Advantage SF OL: Advantage SF DL: Both units are EXCELLENT and can rush with only four LB: Advantage SF Secondary: Advantage SF Special Teams: Advantage SF Coaching: Advantage NYG (based on overall experience) Home Field: Advantage SF ProBowl Selections: SF 2 on offense; 4 on def; 2 on ST NYG; 1 on offense; 1 on defense; 0 on ST Intangibles: I think SF has an edge. They are home. They are rested. They have already beaten the Gmen. Gmen are trying hard (talking a lot) to convince themselves that they can beat SF. So my lean remain the same. SF has most of the advantages and SHOULD win this game. If the Giants backer are all excited about their wins over ATL and the Packers, then they will have a RUDE AWAKENING come Sunday. ATL relied on a power back and played into Gmen's strength on defense ( I posted this before the NYG/ATL game). While the final score (24-2) indicates dominance, it was far from that. It was a 10-2 game with less than 3 minutes to go in the third qtr. That was despite the horrible decisions/play calling by ATL coaching staff. They ran two fourth down plays by running the ball with Matt Ryan???????????????? I posted before the NYG/GB game that Gmen are the hotter team. Packs O-line was not healthy, their Offensive Coordinator was not around the whole week for game planning with a MAJOR tragedy. I also had my doubts about how Aaron will play in the cold (posted and inquired before that game). GB, overall was more impacted by the wintry condition (10+ miscues in passing game, dropped or overthrown) and had a horrible performance. Gmen will not face another cakewalk come Sunday. Giants backer; do come with some substance please!
Stop embarassing yourself. The pot calling the kettle black. You're Username should be 49erBiased. Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game. But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing. Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better? Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team. We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better... Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense. I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now. Good Luck |
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Alex Smith just had the game of his life - I don't like the odds of him playing that well in consecutive weeks. The Giants Defense is NOT the Saints defense. Yes, SF scored 36 points, but they will be lucky if they score half that many this Sunday. With the way the Giants have been playing on all three phases, I don't know how you can take the Niners with any confidence. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Rossmiester:
49ers win! Bet the house! Why? Teams that have defeated the defending Super Bowl Champions are just 1-10 ATS and winless sporting an 0-11 record in the next playoff round! = 49ers victory! Also, Vegas is favoring 49ers because they are at home. I believe the Giants are the only road team to win this post season, if I am correct. So look for the Pats to win and 49ers. Another huge factor is RAIN RAIN RAIN!! Look at the weather IT IS GOING TO RAIN. What does this mean? Rain means a running game and 49ers will shut down running game, 49ers win! Take Patriots -7.5, 49ers -2.5 BOOM! Yea taking the home team all the time is a great strategy. Get a clue dude. |
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Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:
So are you taking the Ravens? FYI Brady is 6-1 against them ravens. I'll be taking the better Qb there too. Eli is the best 4th quarter QB in the league, no questions. I like the this Giants team but Im definitely not a homer.
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Have not thought much about that game yet but my early lean is on NE. How the Ravens played against Texans has more to do with it, along with, NE having better QB than Ravens. I also want to get updates on Ed Reed before making a decision as NE has two beast of TE's.
Okay you're not a homer. I was simply pointing out that saying that NO ONE is better than Eli sounds like a homer. I need to look this up but Alex Smith may have more fourth QB comebacks in 2011 and better red zone efficiency than Eli in 2011.
Albeit not by much, Alex did have better QB rating than Eli in their regular season game in November.
I'll save you the time, Alex Smith DOES NOT have more fourth quarter comebacks or red zone efficiency than Eli. |
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Quote Originally Posted by billsneedhelp:
Giants defense is not no that good especially against the pass. They are ranked at the bottom of the league: 29th overall and 27th against the pass. They have actually won their games mainly through the arm of eli and their passing attack. Season Stats Rank Total Yards 376.4 27 Passing Yards 255.1 29 Rushing Yards 121.2 19 Points Allowed 25 25 If you have been following whatsoever for the last month or so, you can throw those stats out. The Giants D was in disarray for most of the season, but have gotten healthy and on the same page these last 6 weeks and are probably the most dangerous defense in the NFL right now. Keep talking about their porous pass defense, it's inconsequential right now...look at the last 6 performances by the Giants defense and get back to me with your statistics.. |
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Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:
QUOTE Originally Posted by EzzMoney:
Niners to the super bowl Any doubters? don't just run your mouth but come with a valid point and let's discuss it. how about you come up with a valid point....
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fair enough. I wills tart with,
Rested team
@home
Better Coaching
Beast defense aganist the RUN
Enoguh offense; has only been outscored by 3, 10 and 2 points
your turn,
Rested team? They will have had one more day of rest, let's not call this a factor. Giants haven't had trouble playing away...what do they have 4 consecutive road playoff victories? How can you say better coaching? Is there a stat that proves this? Tom Coughlin has a Superbowl ring on is finger, Harbaugh is the flavor of the month. Enough offense? What exactly does that mean? If I was arguing for the Giants, I would use explosive offense, or consistent offense, or dangerous offense....NOT ENOUGH OFFENSE. Seems to me you are reaching a little bit. I will say the Niners run defense is the best I have ever seen. But plays can be made against their secondary. Eli is so locked in with all three of his receivers, I have no doubt the Giants will make enough plays. The Niners won't be able to do much against a much improved and confident Giants defense. If the refs don't make that ridiculous non-fumble call or the phantom roughing the passer on Rodgers, GB doesn't score a TD and finish with 6 points. The game before that, they shutout the Atlanta Offense. Both of these teams are head and shoulders above the Niners on offense. Not to mention, the Niners just let up 30+ points on their home field. So let's relax a little bit. You tell people to explain why yet the reasons you give for your pick are amateur at best.
Take the Giants and the points, bye the hook. And take them Moneyline, best of luck
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Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:
Zoopdog, fair enough.
However, I think you are over emphasizing the Giants momentum too. It was only back in Week 15 they laid an egg to a bad Redskins game (although divisional games don't always go by the script).
I don't think you can really call the Giants secondary healthy either (with Ross even being banged up with a concussion and missing how many guys on IR this year).
Look, as I noted in my score the Giants will no doubt get their points. However, I don't think they will get a consistent pash rush, which to me they will need to in order to win.
My belief is people are weighing the Giants momentum and the 08' game too much.
I guess we can come back and chat about it on Monday. If you are right, I'll congratulate you. Cheers.
How bout that congratulations |
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Quote Originally Posted by aaustinova67:
Giants BEAT the Patriots remember?? I do Giants ALMOST BEAT the Packers in NY remember?? I do This is the playoffs, this Aaron Rogers, this IS THE FUCKING NY "WE LOST 4 GAMES IN A ROW" GIANTS....dont refer to past games and say "oh well the Giants played em close last time, that means theyll do it again" No dumbass, it doesnt. This is a different week, different game. PLEASE keep putting money on the overrated Giants, itll make my win that much better.
Chill with the red font Capernicus. You don't have a clue. Let's just discount the way that the Giants have been playing the last 3 weeks. That will make a really smart bet. If you've watched this team play recently, they are clicking on all cylinders. They looked like garbage most of this year, but now they look tougher than ever. |
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Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew82:
First off, I'm a Packer fan so let's just throw that out there. Secondly, I'm not a homer even though I've never bet against GB, but I always tell my gambling friends when to bet against GB (KC and NYG were prime examples). I'm not blind to bad lines when GB is favored by too much. In this case, I think it is slightly too low and by the end of the week you will see it down to 7.5 (I doubt Vegas will give up the hook, but we will see).
Why I like GB:
1. Healthiest GB has been all year. 21 of their preferred 22 starters will be on the field (Nick Collins being the lone injury - which is a big loss).
Same can be said for the Giants. Their O-line, WR's, D-line and LB positions have been revolving doors the entire season. The number of injuries the Pack has suffered pails in comparison to what the Giants have suffered. They have finally gotten some stability on both sides of the ball.
2. GB's O-line will be at full strength with Clifton back (although he is still a bit rusty). On a slower track at Lambeau, I think GB will be able to slow down the pass rush enough to expose the Giants weak secondary (Giants will get a few sacks, but the pressure won't be relentless). To me, this is the Giants only shot at slowing (and beating) GB. With no crowd noise on offense, GB will have no issues making audibles at the line and getting off the ball better. See first game. NYG had a decent rush, but not overwhelming. GB puts up 38. Osi is back, but so is Sitton (GB's best O-lineman) and Clifton. Neither played in the first game.
The Giants defense was in shambles when these teams played the first time and it came down to the last possesssion. I don't think it's pure luck that they held the Cowboys and Falcons to a total of 14 pts.
3. GB's secondary - Yes it gives up yards, but it also led the league in INT's by a wide margin. Giants will make some plays, but I think this secondary will too.
Obviously you think the GB secondary who got torched by Eli earlier this season will play well, but the Giants secondary, who have vastly improved over the last month, will be in trouble. This is a typical homer statement.
4. Motivation - Everyone is picking the Giants because of their "momentum". Well, the disrespect card has been a year long thing. Despite being 15-1, the media has been picking at GB's faults a lot and many are picking GB to lose now (Rodgers even admitted he uses the media for motivation) . Throw in the 100% guarantee by JPP and a couple of recent events too (passing of LG TJ Lang's father and Joe Philbin's son - which admittedly may not mean much but then again this is a very tight nit team).
Motivation is not tangible. You don't think the Giants are motivated to go out and show the world they can play with anybody? Are you trying to tell me that the Packers are more motivated because JPP when asked if they would win said yes? Give me a break. I have a better word for you. How about Momentum. That is a little more real, and the Giants seem to have that on their side. Two weeks since Rodgers has played, Greg Jennings just getting back. I wouldn't be surprised to see some rust.
5. GB is 19-1 at home in their last 20. The lone loss was against Miami in OT last year when GB had 6 starters out (including Matthews and Finley). The odds of the Giants winning straight up are probably slim. Throw in that GB is 7-1 against the spread at home this year (which is the more important stat) and to me the bet favors GB.
What was the Patriots recent home record before the Giants went in there and beat them? What was their record at home coming off a SU Loss? Even better. This is football, not tennis. It's a team sport and the teams that are supposed to win, don't always win. The Giants are a better road team. They have proved that over the last half decade.
I told my friends before the wild card round that I hoped the Giants would crush Atlanta because the public (and Vegas would overreact). The line probably would have been double digits just a few weeks ago, but the Giants have beat up a few inconsistent teams so it is dropping close to the line back when they first played (which was a game to me that was a clear bet on the Giants).
In the NFC championship 4 years ago, I told as many people as I could in GB that the line was way over inflated at 7 points and of course we know what happened. There is no 36 year old QB this time, but a Green Bay QB at 28 playing at the peak of his game. Big difference.
One stat to think about favoring the Giants (they are 5-2 ATS as a dog). They are also confident and have a QB playing his best football. I just see GB coming out on fire in this game. A strong hunch on my part, but all is quiet in GB. There is no talk coming from them. I like that. They will be ready.
I'm going to let this line drop to 7.5 and then lay a nice bet on GB.
I happen to think this will be a close game either way. The Giants defense is peeking at the right time. They will be able to slow the Packers down enough. The Giants finally have a running game going and if it comes down to it, they will put the ball in Eli's hands. Not talked about much is how the Giants WR's and TE's are finally at full strength. Manningham is back healthy and is just another weapon for Eli to utilize.
Don't try to sell everybody that you are not a homer. Your post just screams HOMER. There are two sides to every game, not just the side you are rooting for.
Grab the points and the ML.
27-24 Giants |
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Quote Originally Posted by mtbaker:
The last 3 weeks the Giants have had gift lines and the public has gobbled it up so I really don't think that argument is legitimate here. However, this week there are football reasons as to why the Giants are going to have a rough time next week. They finally play a good team, finally. Not the fiddly-toes Matt Ryan and "zero confidence in his defense" Mike Smith, not Mark Blowchez and a "individual stat padding team" and not the wimpy Cowboys and a gunshy "Garrett." They go up against the Pack. While the Pack are 1st, I'm not hearing a lot of love for the Pack. I'm hearing all the love in the world for the Saints and for the Giants and how it's gonna be like 2007 all over again. The Packers are taking this personally. The Giants have no secondary to contain Rodgers and he's good at getting the ball out early to avoid the pass rush and he's played the Giants once already so he'll be more prepared. On D everyone is dumping on the Packers. They will be out to prove something and while they give up a lot of yards, they get timely turnovers. The Giants can't expose the Pack main weakness in run D IMO (they had trouble running in the first 2.5 quarters when the Falcons D hadn't given up). I think Eli will be in a scoring race with Rodgers and Woodson or Tramon will make some key turnovers similar to the Lions-Saints game to cover the spread. A 9-point spread to Rodgers is like a 6 point spread to other teams. Also the Pack were -6 in NY, and now they're -9 not -12. Sounds like value. These are some early thoughts without thinking too much about the game. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read. |
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The Giants are the better team in every facet of the game. With some new additions in the short offseason, they were a bit slow getting into a rythym at the start of the season. I expect them to build off last weeks win. I expected this line to be more like 3.5. All over the Giants. The Cardinals just lost to the Seahawks. |
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Oh that's true. I have Cain and Garcia in fantasy...of course neither one gets the W, fml!
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Jesus...I had the Giants ml and the under as the final pieces in a parlay paying $1250. I had to get out of bed and go to the living room. My wife wanted to know what is wrong. I told her Ryan Franklin sucks at life. I should go tell her so does Colby Rasmus. Later dudes.
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