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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated. If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists. Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense. Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts. I think the view of the bookies only/main goal is to balance action is wrong. Let me give you two reasons why I think this: - Sportsbooks are a business. The goal of a business is to maximize profit not to minimize risk. Oddsmakers have much more power than your typical bettor: faster computers, algorithms, experience, and even inside knowledge. You think they would have all this advantage go to waste and settle merely for a 2.4% commission (which is what a ten cent line provides for the books)? - If all sportsbooks balanced their action, you would see different lines for books in California than those in New York. You'd expect a much higher percentage of people betting on the Yankees in the east coast as supposed to the west. Yet, the lines are often identical. If books balanced their action, this would create hedging opportunities where the hedger would pit the books against themselves. Do you think the books would want that? |
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabroni69: Seriously, give me one good reason? They can't set the line high enough when Sale pitches. Not only is he lights out, but the offense seems to play better with him on the mound. Rangers are a basement team that have shown zero signs of life this series. I don't understand how they can even set lines on games like this. The Red Sox are 11-8 this year in Sale's starts for an ROI of -12%.The numbers are in front of you, this is not a good investment based on just this season alone. If you look since he became a Red Sox, the team is 33-19 in his starts for a -1.9% ROI. If you decide to bet on the Red Sox due to their offense clicking on all cylinders right now, that is fine but bet the same as you would any other pick which you consider to have value. That is the best advise you'll get.
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Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:
Even though the Supreme Court ruling was monumental in pushing legalized gambling forward, it is not happening anytime soon. When it does, I would guess that the larger offshore sportsbooks (Pinnacle, Bookmaker/BetCris, the Greek, 5Dimes, etc) will still be an option Actually, New Jersey plans on starting to accept bets in about two weeks so don't know where you getting your assumptions from. |
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Quote Originally Posted by RebelTell2:
Posted: 2 minutes ago "Quote" Cards gonna miss Yadi bigtime; their pitching won't be nearly as efficient. You can make money off this until the lines adjust.BOL,RT2 This was already reflected in today's line. With a potential Cy Young winnner on the mound, the line was surprisingly low. If anything, it is likely there will be overcompensation on the line and the value might actually be on betting on the Cards. Bettors usually overreact to star players getting injured. |
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Quote Originally Posted by LogCottage:
Posted: 11 hours ago "Quote" Which, at approximately 6 months per season is 900 months, this current month will be the FIRST EVER that ends with more strikeouts than hits. And that’s certainly not because there’s great pitching. Think about that...This is how bad this game has become, littered with sub .200 hitters on every roster swinging for the fences. And yet, you people continue to throw your cash away on these, at best, Single-A players. Analytics is playing a bigger role than ever in the sport, and the analytics say that the higher on base percentage coupled with the higher slugging (that comes from hitting more homeruns even at the expense of strikeouts) is a superior method of scoring runs - which after all is the ultimate goal. Just a one of several examples of a situation you'd rather have someone swinging for a double or homerun even if it comes with a higher probability of striking out: You have a below average speed runner on first and one out, and then you have a guy with decent power at the plate with another guy with pop on deck. You're trailing by one late in the 8th inning. Hitter is in a 2-1 count. Do you want him to try to swing for contact or hit the ball hard with some trajectory? How many times in the old days, hitting for contact would have resulted in an inning ending double play. Even if this guy strikes out, you have one more opportunity to take the lead or tie with the next guy up. You attack hitter's counts, you try to hit the pitch you like hard with authority, if you don't get pitches you like you try to get on base. That to me is smart baseball. |
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Quote Originally Posted by sandique: What does affect the outcome is that Justin Verlander is no choker. Really? 3 WS starts he's now logged and every time he's left the game his team has trailed (Tigers once, Astros twice), making for an ERA of 5.62. No choker my behind. Dude comes up small when it matters most. To Key's credit, Verlander didn't choke in none of those starts. He gave his team a solid chance to win each time. In addition, he's done excellent in potential clinching games. My point was that Key made it seem like he was going to be unhittable. You can't say that about any pitcher in the playoffs and especially on the road, I don't care how good he is.
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KeyElement | 30 |
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Key, I disagree with you on few items.
First, the Astros bullpen is still nowhere near the category of the Dodgers bullpen. Yes, the Dodgers bullpen has been touched up but they are still far superior. This is no more evident that in the Astros not having a closer they can go to at the moment. Hinch has no confidence in Giles. On the other hand, Roberts still has a lot of trust in Jansen. Second, you're making Verlander seem like the greatest playoff pitcher of all time. In 2006 and 2011 he did poorly. In 2014 his only playoff start resulted in a loss for the team. Even his game 2 start in this world series would have resulted in a loss 9 out of 10 times if the Dodgers would have been handed that lead over and over again. As it has been shown in this postseason and past ones, no pitcher is unbeatable in the playoffs. It takes a full team effort.
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KeyElement | 30 |
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Fadeaway I think there's another reason why you won't be betting on tonight's game.
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KeyElement | 77 |
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Achilles, as far as your claim that game 5 was interfered with, and this is the main topic here, here's what I think.
I think pointing to the last play of the game as being the altered play is a stretch of the imagination. Ethier doesn't have a good arm plus he's not played regularly this year to be ready to make a big throw there. He also got a hit in the 10th, if he wanted to throw in the game he'd have struck out. Yes, I believe there are external factors that influenced the probability of the Astros winning that game. To me those are mainly the umpiring and the juiced balls. As far as the umpiring, there were several pitches that were way inside that were called strikes for Keuchel. That allowed the Astros to remain within reach. The game could have easily escaled to a 6 or 7 run lead for the Dodgers. Instead it was kept at 4 with the help of some very bad umpiring. In addition, inconsistent umpiring affects great pitchers more than it does good hitters. Jansen's 3-1 slightly high pitch to Correa in the 10th was called a strike several times earlier in the game. This throws off the pitchers, and shifts the advantage to the hitters where the Astros hold an edge over the Dodgers. The use of altered balls also has the same effect. When you make it harder to throw breaking pitches and make the balls travel with more exit velocity, you are in essence changing the weight of the importance of the pitching advantage of the superior team. So what could have been a 60% pitching 40% offense determining variables, now you had a reverse split. As the Astros are better hitting team, they have been able to reap the benefits of the change in the baseballs being used.
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KeyElement | 77 |
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Archilles, I'm not sticking up for him but rather for helping and supporting each other. I have offered suggestions/questioned some of his betting philosophies (like the dismissing of sharp money, in which he started incorporating or at least recognizing it in his capping later on in the season) so it's not like I'm saying anyone is perfect.
The condescending tone, I think, is something that is more his style of writing than his intention (I may be wrong, correct me Key if I am). I'm not a fan of the smiley but it's not like we have that many options in here. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629: It wouldn't be a post from you without ending it in So sad this is what you've resorted to bud. I used to actually open up your threads and have some sort of takeaway but in the last month or so, there just isn't much man. Who you got tomorrow? Or are you sitting on the sidelines again? "" Archilles, why the negative comments towards Key? If he decides to skip some world series games, he has that right. After all, with all the craziness going on in these games, I don't blame him. The juiced balls, the umpiring, and other external factors has made handicapping an up in the air endeavor. You are having a good postseason so far, and you should just enjoy the ride and let others who haven't had as good a run alone. As you may know, sports betting is an extremely humbling venture. You don't know who may give you a suggestion in the future that may get you out of a bad slump. We are a community and should try to learn from each other. For example, you can learn from Key the importance of using ROI to measure your success as opposed to W-L record.
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KeyElement | 77 |
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Quote Originally Posted by RLeith35: The Dodgers are 0-14 SU as a dog after they played extra innings. Meaningless stat. None of those 14 games happened during this season so it's not even the same team. Also, none happened in the playoffs let alone in a world series. This is a complete different scenario.
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And then we had one of the best pitched games on both sides in recent memory.
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KeyElement | 35 |
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Quote Originally Posted by herbshack: Yes! Good for you. I'm one of the sellers on the SDQL (Killersports) Trend Mart. Helped start that thing. Mainly because I appreciate what Joe Meyer over there did so much: It is a free to the public service. Please consider supporting him by storing the trends I share (if you know how to query them) for $2 Yes, you can just bookmark them for free, but he does have to pay expensive server costs. :) But bottom line: After running this thread for years now and sharing my valuable trends, it makes me happy to see people become their own independent gamblers gone investors. Building community is a good thing....so please share trends you guys find as well. Help others and you truly help yourself! Great post, Herb. After all, we are a community.
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Good luck, Key. I want to say that this has been an exemplary season from you. Now there should be people jumping up about to scream "ridiculous!". The reason why I say this is because this has been a tough baseball season for you (especially by your standards) and you have kept your composure. Where many beginning or incompetent bettors would have gone on tilt and depleted their bankroll, you have given yourself a chance to live another week, month, and seasons to come. Yes, you're not a robot neither, and this has been evidenced by you flapping between FG and F5 bets after a tough night on either of those types. But, much worse would have been for you to have increased your bet amounts, number of bets, or toyed around with new bet types that haven't been part of your repertoire (first inning y/n, super runlines, etc..), and you didn't do none of that. As important as the insights you have provided this season is the way you have exhibited excellent money management skills. For bettors aspiring to become profitable in the long run, take note.
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KeyElement | 28 |
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Thanks stocktrader. How do you determine whether a dog is a public one?
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stocktrader15 | 77 |
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Stocktrader, on the graph is that % of bets or % of money bet?
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stocktrader15 | 77 |
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Stocktrader, could you re-post the MIT link? thanks
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stocktrader15 | 77 |
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I think you're stretching this milestone thing. I understand if a manager is going for his 1,000th win at home but to say managing your 400th game is a milestone worth considering is too much of a stretch.
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Quote Originally Posted by herbshack: Half of my capping revolves around that idea: coattail the books who exploit people who think they know a little too much... Herb, could you elaborate a little on what you meant by this? |
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